Another TRUE Alpha Male Spoke & I Missed It

I’m actually not a warrior by nature. Not at all. I’ve been forced into doing battle with words because I am a victim of this most unjust system of racism (white supremacy). But, because I am not a warrior by nature, I sometimes survey the field, take note of positions and then march along with my head in the turtle shell I use for a tank. In doing so, I often miss acts of alliance and, even, valor for my goal of justice. So, here’s another. This one was a message from Big Jo to Jay in the Black Dimension about black women’s issues always being conflated with and, usually, overwhelmed in discussion about those of black males:
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“Jay in the black dimension,

May I provide an analogy? Can you imagine someone has passed and you are at their funeral? A male comes up to deliver a eulogy. The person starts off the eulogy saying, ‘Susan endured a painful life just like my wife’ and begins to spend the entire time discussing the pain of his wife. There would be no doubt that the speaker’s wife may indeed have had a painful life. But that wasn’t the time, the place nor the purpose for him to express the grievances he had for his deceased wife. That would be inappropriate and counterproductive towards the general purpose of someone’s eulogy.

I think you may be experiencing something similar on this blog. These posts are intended to highlight the unique pain and trauma that black women have to endure as victims of white supremacy. Especially, the abuse they receive from black males as both the things they do AND things that THEY DO NOT DO. When I say things they do not do, I mean things like empathizing with the unique struggle that black women have to undergo.

As stated by many of the lady writers on this site, they have no hesitance when empathizing with the plight of black males and providing any support needed.

This is a non-reciprocal relationship. Reciprocity is one of the pillars of justice outlined by Ma’at. This only 1 example of a violation of justice (Ma’at). You cannot produce justice while violating a tenet of justice.

I believe that’s one of the things that the ladies are trying to communicate. I could be wrong, as I am a male, and I do not have the relatively more evolved communication abilities as females do.

Summarily, this topic is designed to address problems of black women in regards to White Supremacy. Lumping in or trying resurface the problems of black males, is inappropriate and counterproductive to the intended purpose as in the example of the incompetent eulogy speaker (i.e. the female writer who suspected that a form of derailment was taking place.)

As a side note, this is evidence of saying my close female friend. Stating that, Black men do not listen to us. In order for black men to stop mistreating black women, it will require black men telling other black men to stop and pointing out their incorrect behavior. This is partially why I felt compelled to write this.

As a person who is a member of a group who has victimized others, it is necessary for you to endure painful criticism (as black victims expect from white supremacists). Why? It is the correct thing to do. “We” effed up, we should AT LEAST be willing to take the pain of some minor gripes, and up to vitriolic diatribes. After all, we are partially involved at a group-level.

They are our women. If we truly love them that much, we should be there for them, to share their pain. And the longing and hope to be active participants in bringing about the end to their suffering.

Big Jo”

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46 Responses to “Another TRUE Alpha Male Spoke & I Missed It”

  1. Bi-racial children in the Ukraine – “Family Portrait in Black and White”

    Spotted on Blackgermans
    “Family Portrait in Black and White” is a compelling film of Russian/Canadian Filmmaker Julia Ivanova about a group of bi-racial/black orphans in the former Soviet republic Ukraine.

    Forced to constantly defend themselves from racist neighbours and skinheads, these children have to be on guard against the world that surrounds them.

    The film is still in production, but will have its World Premiere at the 2011 Sundance Film Festival

    Short synopsis: Olga Nenya, from a small Ukrainian town, is raising sixteen black orphans in a country of Slavic blue-eyed blonds. The reality of growing up as a bi-racial child in Eastern Europe, a rare and truly visible minority, is not for the faint of heart. While Olga is on a crusade to save her children from the unjust world, she is also determined to shape their future according to her own, sometimes limited vision.

    Long synopsis: Olga Nenya has 27 children. Four of them, now adults, are her biological children; the other 23 are adopted or foster children. Of those 23, 16 are bi-racial. She calls them “my chocolates,” and is raising them to be patriotic Ukrainians. Some residents of Sumy, Ukraine, consider Olga a saint, but many believe she is simply crazy.

    An inheritance from the Soviet era, a stigma persists here against interracial relationships, and against children born as the result of romantic encounters between Ukrainian girls and exchange students from Africa. For more than a decade, Olga has been picking up the black babies left in Ukrainian orphanages and raising them together so that they may support and protect one another.

    The filmmakers interview Neo-Nazis in Ukraine reveals the real dangers for a dark-skinned individual in the street. These white supremacist youth joke about their evening raids and how police seem to let them do it. Prosecutors are not particularly determined to give strict sentences to racially motivated crimes, and young thugs can get away with probation for beating someone nearly to death.

  2. I don’t think there was any rape. That may very well be why the “sexual jealousy” goes across the non-black male spectrum. Non-black women (then and now) didn’t have to be raped by black males. Black women and girls on the other hand…

  3. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Are you stretching, LBM? I don’t think so. However, I would ask, did black men rape white women in southern Europe? Or, is it the case, as I’ve seen said on WS sites like Stormfront, that white women will funk a black man as soon as a white man turns his back?

  4. CREE, what would you say is the genesis of that “sexual jealousy?”

    One of the things we herald is how Black folk can be found in the histories of so many cultures/peoples outside of Africa. One of the things we don’t talk about is the mating habits of those Africans, specifically as it relates to how the males of those peoples/cultures responded to the African (male) presence. For instance, we talk about how dark some Italians are based on Hannibal’s army or the “color” along the Iberian peninsula due to the Moor’s presence. What we don’t talk about is what role those events and previous ones played in the white male’s thinking that “all niggas want our women.” Or the possible backlash that Black females endured as “payback”?? Those same “swarthy” Italians, Portuguese and especially Spaniards were some of the most savage rapists of Black females. Many Africans girls didn’t even make it through a particular transatlantic journey for being sexually mutilated by traders and ship crew.

    Am I stretching?

  5. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    That is very interesting, twyche6. Thank you for that. It buttresses my position that anti-blackness is endemic to all people of significantly lighter shades than, let’s say, the mean color reflectance in Africa. I have not believed ina very long time that the sentiment is a result of arm-twisting by the very lightest people on the planet. It seems to me that the sexual jealousy is the motivator in all of these lighter-skinned groups.

  6. I am off topic here. I was listening to your interview with Scot Nakagawa on Asians against Anti-Black Racism and I found that there is a history of colorism in Japan against the native people known as the Ainu. Here is a link that may be of interest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24443965@N08/2435004377/.

  7. thwack , I’ll let your last post speak for itself. I’m sure the CREE7 readers can “read” it.

  8. LBM Says:

    When you say a female wants a male “better” than herself – what does “better” mean?
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    “better” is a metric defined by the female; they know what it is.

    As a guy, at the risk of getting my head bashed in, I will say it is this paradox:

    For a female, a male “better” than herself is a male that has sexual options, and at the same time, is dependable and loyal only to her.

    I really should not be telling you this; I feel like Im trying to teach white people about racism.

    (((shakin my head)))

  9. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    I know I have been silent about it. Black women have been silent about so many things that matter that until the last few months, after hearing the stunning clarity coming from so many of us, I wasn’t sure what the truth of that was. I only knew that I was not overwhelmed by the bedrock reasoning of most of the black men that are so bellicose about “following the logic.”

  10. How in the world did females ever buy the proposition that we belonged to the less logical and more emotional gender? CREE

    Did we ever really buy that or is that another of those things we’ve been silent about? LOL….Does this have anything to do with the logic of the dude with a wife and 3 children walking off his job???

  11. Empathy?

    Is that what you call it when a female wants to be with a male that is better than herself?

    What does this have to do with age?

    All females are after the same thing; to be with a winner.
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    Whaaat??? YOU are the one who brought up age – implying that older meant “better” thus attractive to younger females.

    And yes, I do call it empathy when Black women understand that we can’t necessarily expect from a black male what is expected from non-black males simply because of age.

    When you say a female wants a male “better” than herself – what does “better” mean?

  12. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Thwack (Josh), If I hadn’t been exhaustively occupied with the literal matters of life and death at the time you posted this comment, I’d have replied that I concluded that I’d reached a cul de sac in this dialogue with you when my eyes actually swept over those words for the second time telling me that one Josh Wickett didn’t need a definition for a term he is using to make fundamental a statement. Josh Wickett? Really?

    How in the world did females ever buy the proposition that we belonged to the less logical and more emotional gender?

  13. Mrs. Cree, thank your for posting my excerpt here. I am honored to have my comments recited on your blog. Many of the greatest teachers I have ever had have been women and I consider both you and LBM as contributors to that legacy. Thank you for providing me with life-giving information.

    -miles

  14. LBM Says:
    Empathy is far more likely to from a black woman of some age than from a “young chippy.”
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    Empathy?

    Is that what you call it when a female wants to be with a male that is better than herself?

    What does this have to do with age?

    All females are after the same thing; to be with a winner.

  15. “If you are seeking a racial difference in the phenomenon it may exist to a greater extent in nonwhite females due to the larger numbers of disfunctional nonwhite males.”
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    That was exactly why I asked the question. I haven’t observed that we can soundly assume, with non-white males, that age= establishment. Unfortunately, age tends to mean more “baggage” with many of our males. Empathy is far more likely to from a black woman of some age than from a “young chippy.”

  16. Thwack, please explain. Other women engage in so called May/December relationships – with the older man being more “established.” But does this really apply to Black folk in any real numbers?
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    Its an aspect of hypergamy and as such, applies to all females; but you specifically asked how it applies to black females, remember?

    If you are seeking a racial difference in the phenomenon it may exist to a greater extent in nonwhite females due to the larger numbers of disfunctional nonwhite males.

  17. December 31, 2012 at 8:00 am

    “To sum up, females want males who are better than them.”

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    “I think it accounts for younger black females engaging in sexual intercourse with older black males.”

    Thwack, please explain. Other women engage in so called May/December relationships – with the older man being more “established.” But does this really apply to Black folk in any real numbers?

  18. LBM Says:

    December 31, 2012 at 8:00 am
    “To sum up, females want males who are better than them.”

    How does this relate to the Black woman – specifically the “African American” woman?
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    I think it accounts for younger black females engaging in sexual intercourse with older black males.

  19. @Cree
    I hope you and Sonny have a Happy Kwanzaa this year. I wish you much success in the coming year with your blog and radio show. I also hope the Most High watch over you and your family. in 2013 we will continue our counter racist grind with a passion. Peace and be well. 🙂

  20. “To sum up, females want males who are better than them.”

    How does this relate to the Black woman – specifically the “African American” woman?

  21. As per the resources issue, it’s pretty clear we need a definition again. When you say “control of resources,” what do you mean?
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    I don’t need one; neither does any person with eyes to see what they are looking at. Females are attracted (possibly sexually attracted) to males who exercise power and control over things people need to survive.

    It matters not if the male is Hitler, or Gandhi, they will both have their choice of the most sexually attractive females because females are attracted to the utility of male power.

    A females agency has been and still is her sexuality and fertility which she uses to manipulate males, to manipulate other males, to get what she needs to survive.

    Its not rocket science.

    Josh, anybody, male OR female has leverage when another highly values being in relationship with them. And, the person more valued (for whatever reason) has the most leverage.
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    “for whatever reason?”

    The only reason is sexual option; that is the “leverage”. This may be the true nature of the value females see in wealthy, powerful males. Females instinctively don’t want the male ANY female can get. They are attracted to the male with options i.e; the one other females want.

    Their value is reflected in his act of choice.

    Females want to marry “up”, not down, or even “sideways”

    To sum up, females want males who are better than them.

  22. So Josh, males’ “willingness to compete and even kill each other for the control of resources” is proof that they understand what females are attracted to?” Hmmmmm, people used to sacrifice several young virgins for good crops. Was that evidence that they understood what caused bountiful crops? The question is, do most males consistently get the quality and quantity of sexual attention that they wish? Or that those males who get the most of same receive?—after all that competition for resources?

    As per the resources issue, it’s pretty clear we need a definition again. When you say “control of resources,” what do you mean?

    Josh, you asked, “If a male with few resources gets plenty of sexual attention, does that contradict the assertion that women are attracted to males who control resources?”Ana Nicole Smith was attracted to the resources of the octogenarian man. She was not sexually attracted to the octogenarian man. Same goes with those women who trade sex for stuff to a lesser degree…and, white women do more than any other females. Now, the thing here is that at this point in the battle against white supremacy, I wish that black women would overcome our evolutionary programming and be more like white women. But even then, there will be with us, I suspect, what is the case with white women—A LOTS of creeping to get with males we are REALLY attracted to sexually.

    Josh, anybody, male OR female has leverage when another highly values being in relationship with them. And, the person more valued (for whatever reason) has the most leverage. That’s why two people, equally intoxicated by each other is a marvel of nature and so restorative to the partners and, even, to societies generally .

  23. 1) What is the evidence that most males understand what females are attracted to?
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    Their behavior; specifically their willingness to compete and even kill each other for the control of resources females value.

    If a male with few resources gets plenty of sexual attention, does that contradict the assertion that women are attracted to males who control resources?
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    No, it just means you have not detected the resource/s the male has that females are attracted to.

    2) I did not describe as “sociopaths” males who act upon the “knowledge” that women are attracted to men who control resources. Since, I do not believe that is what women are attracted to, that is a moot point. I could be incorrect.
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    If females are NOT attracted to males who exhibit power and control over resources; what accounts for female behavior in the “sexual market place?” i.e, females providing more sexual attention to males who control resouces and are more powerful than them (taller, stronger, make more money…)

    3)Since you are using Fuller’s Code Book definition of “respect,” logically you are saying that women do not refuse to lie to themselves and to let all other know of that refusal unless they fear a man. If that logic is incorrect, please explain. If that logic is incorrect, please explain.
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    Im saying males who lack the power to hold “their woman” to account will be misled and/or lied to by that female because females do not value males who lack this capability.

    “Respect” may not be the best word to describe the phenomenon, but most people recognize it when they see it.

    “Fear” may be too strong a word, but I don’t yet know a single word definition for “mild anxiety”.

    BTW– My observation is NOT a criticism of female behavior because it may serve a valuable evolutionary function.

  24. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Josh, you said, “most males fully understand that females are attracted to WINNERS– those males who command and or control resources; including the respect of other males. describing males who understand and act on this as ‘sociopaths’ is an attempt to relieve females from accountability for their role in shaping male behavior; especially towards females.

    1) What is the evidence that most males understand what females are attracted to? If a male with few resources gets plenty of sexual attention, does that contradict the assertion that women are attracted to males who control resources?
    2) I did not describe as “sociopaths” males who act upon the “knowledge” that women are attracted to men who control resources. Since, I do not believe that is what women are attracted to, that is a moot point. I could be incorrect.
    3)Since you are using Fuller’s Code Book definition of “respect,” logically you are saying that women do not refuse to lie to themselves and to let all other know of that refusal unless they fear a man. If that logic is incorrect, please explain. If that logic is incorrect, please explain.

  25. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Josh, my answers to each of those questions is , “I don’t know.”

    I did not reference anyone as an “African.”

  26. “Assuming The Creator intends for the collective of people who have appearances typical of those now residing in Africa to remain part of the fabric of this planet—as I do assume—,”

    What is the purpose of an African person?

    Where is the evidence that African people are engaged in this purpose?

    Where is the evidence proving success in achieving this purpose?

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  28. @Josh—-First, the choices of “dark vs light” skinned and “skinny vs fat” leave out the choice of “medium.” By definition, most “black” women are medium in their skin hue compared to other black women. And, most women are medium in size or percentage of fat. As such, the use of the terms “light/dark” and “fat/skinny” are not terms used to describe. They are terms used to sort for discard.

    Assuming The Creator intends for the collective of people who have appearances typical of those now residing in Africa to remain part of the fabric of this planet—as I do assume—, sexually favoring light-skinned women and those with loose hair by black males is unjust. Why? Because it will cause darker skinned people to have significantly less of all things in all areas of people activity. Darker skinned people are unlikely to have lighter-skinned kin to see to it that they have what they need even if they (the darker skinned females) are not favored sexually.

    With the exception of some Pacific Islanders, there are no populations for whom obesity is part of their genetically transmitted phenotype. So, except for those Pacific Islanders, the favoring of thinner women does not present the same problem as the one of dark v light. I suspect, however, that all the micromanaging of women’s size by men is just a tactic to make women feel forever insecure so that we are not focused on using our greater leverage in the sexual marketplace for power over those things sexual and not.

    I’m most interested in addressing your other recent comments. But, I’ve only got time for this one today.

  29. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Most men, I think, have no idea what it is that women are really attracted to. Is is so primal that it is exceedingly difficult to fake—-except by sociopaths.
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    I disagree, most males fully understand that females are attracted to WINNERS– those males who command and or control resources; including the respect of other males. describing males who understand and act on this as “sociopaths” is an attempt to relieve females from accountability for their role in shaping male behavior; especially towards females.

    CREE-EIGHT Says:
    I’m not sure that I agree with your statements about “respect.” Can I ask for the definition you’re using for respect?
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    I use the compensatory CR definition as defined by Fuller: “refusing to lie to yourself and letting all others know it.”

    Think about the discomfort white people have with a serious black person? I know you have experienced it?

    The trashy sex jokes white people and nonwhite people exchange are attempts to break the atmosphere of consequence that respect generates.
    People are uncomfortable with accountability; even when they are only holding themselves to it.

  30. THE ALCHEMIST Says:

    When Josh said,

    “I think most here agree that a males value is based on what he can do; a phenomenon that cuts across all political catagories. The question is, what should a females value be based on? Is dark skin enough of a reason to marry a female? Or should a male require her to have both the will and ability to do certain things before he seeks a “permanent” relationship with her?”

    I knew his purpose was to change the focus of the dialogue to one in which black females are physically pick apart from the hair on our heads to the nails on our feet to gauge our value. The phenotype of black females has been mocked and ridiculed since 1619. This is an unethical attempt to cause as much pain as possible. Don’t take the bait he is dangling. Some of his talking points echo sargent willie pete.

  31. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Josh, I’ll answer the questions as soon as I can. the urgent has trumped the important for right now…O death, where is thy sting?

  32. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Josh, thanks for explaining what you mean by “white knight.” As you define that term, yes, it is certainly different than an “alpha male” as I define the latter term. The “white knights” you describe— because they are not alpha males will not be able to sustain sexual attention increased sexual attention if they get it at all Most men, I think, have no idea what it is that women are really attracted to. Is is so primal that it is exceedingly difficult to fake—-except by sociopaths. And, I do not consider sociopaths to be of the same species.

    I'm not sure that I agree with your statements about "respect." Can I ask for the definition you're using for respect?

  33. b) What should a female’s value be based upon? As long as a man’s criteria does not promote imbalance between people (injustice) or imbalance between people, animals and things (incorrectness), it should not matter what any man or collective of men use(s) as the criteria upon which to assign a female’s worth.
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    “it should not matter what any man or collective of men use(s) as the criteria upon which to assign a female’s worth.”

    Are you sure you want to go with that statement?

    If so, how does a male basing a females value on long straight hair and light skin, unjust?

    If a male values light skinned females more than dark skinned females, is he being unjust?

    If a male values young females over old females, is he being unjust?

    If a male values skinny females over fat females, is he being unjust?

  34. a) So, that I can answer whether I think a “white knight” is different than an alpha male, please tell me what you mean when you say “white knight?”
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    A “white Knight” is a male who supports and defends females ONLY in order to become popular with them enough to get sexual attention.

    Its like the black people we call “Oreos”; Those black people who support and defend white people in order to “be liked” by white people so they can get some “goodies” from white people.

    The problem with the strategy is the way both white people and females have adapted to it.

    In both cases the male and the black person run the risk of becoming a “pet”; not respected as much as pitied, which is an attraction killer; especially for females.

    A common result for the male and the black person is to be “farmed” for ego food but never rewarded with respect which the female and the white person reserve for the male and black person they fear.

    All respect contains an element of fear.

  35. Josh wrote, “I sense it [alpha male] is being used interchangeably with the term “white knight?”. I think those are two different things?
    I think most here agree that a males value is based on what he can do; a phenomenon that cuts across all political catagories. The question is, what should a females value be based on? Is dark skin enough of a reason to marry a female? Or should a male require her to have both the will and ability to do certain things before he seeks a “permanent” relationship with her?”


    a) So, that I can answer whether I think a “white knight” is different than an alpha male, please tell me what you mean when you say “white knight?”


    b) What should a female’s value be based upon? As long as a man’s criteria does not promote imbalance between people (injustice) or imbalance between people, animals and things (incorrectness), it should not matter what any man or collective of men use(s) as the criteria upon which to assign a female’s worth.

    c) A woman’s “dark skin,” however defined, is not be enough to assure that her selection as a mate promotes justice and correctness.

    d) Yes, a man should require a woman have a will and ability to produce justice and correctness before he seeks a “permanent relationship”/marriage with her.

  36. Josh, here’s what I mean when I say “alpha male:”

    Alpha male = favored by nature in getting the sexual attention of females

    Since physically forced sexual activity is a negligible percentage of that occurring amongst people, an alpha male is one whom females prefer. Those with very broad appeal to women.
    As I have observed patterns about people, here are three basic qualities I’ve observed about those men who have that broad appeal:

    1) They really, really, really LIKE women through and through. Not just mammaries, buttocks, hips, legs, etc, but all the subtle physical and behavioral things that make women different than men. This is the most important characteristic because all the others follow from this.

    2) They protect weaker people by instinct. They are, therefore, quick to take principled stands without checking for consensus first. They may or may not hang around for debate about their stands but they take them quickly.

    3) They like smart women because they REALLY value a woman’s perspective and, therefore covet being desired by the smartest ones.

    These are men who are VERY sensitive but effortlessly and intrinsically tough. Like the finalists in the Olympic 100 meters event who uncannily are not just fast but have amazing body proportions and gorgeous, masculine faces— that combination of toughness and sensitivity seems to most often come with a complement of physical gifts as well—height, prominent brow ridges, wide shoulders, thick fingers, masculine gait.

    It seems to me, that these PUA sites are knowledge-pooling efforts to fashion “behavioral cosmetics” in the same way that women use physical cosmetics to “make-up” for what is lacking naturally.

    Josh, I’ll address your other questions in a separate comment.

  37. EmissaryOfWar Says:

    Very well said, Big Jo!

  38. “This is a non-reciprocal relationship. Reciprocity is one of the pillars of justice outlined by Ma’at. This only 1 example of a violation of justice (Ma’at). You cannot produce justice while violating a tenet of justice.”

    Great quote! Not much I can add to that. Jay and I have had some good discussions. He has some great insight. It’s always nice chatting with him.

  39. IMHO a male of value would at least be able to do what Big Jo did with the above post – he supported with clarity and empathy. He articulated a clear understanding of why we need reciprocal love and support. Black Love Is A Revolutionary Act.

  40. KnowledgeSeeker formerly known as (DenzelSausageton) Says:

    I agree and overstand now because of the analogy that big jo used in this post.

  41. “I think most here agree that a males value is based on what he can do…” Josh

    What do you think he should he be able to do?

  42. Can someone direct me to the definition of “alpha male” as used on this site?

    I sense it is being used interchangeably with the term “white knight?”. I think those are two different things?
    I think most here agree that a males value is based on what he can do; a phenomenon that cuts across all political catagories. The question is, what should a females value be based on? Is dark skin enough of a reason to marry a female? Or should a male require her to have both the will and ability to do certain things before he seeks a “permanent” relationship with her?

  43. Thanks for writing Big Jo” I needed that. I just called a very special woman to me after reading your article. I wanted to thank her for a contribution to the cause, but her phone was busy, I will try again. Everyday I’m learning how special and precious a gift Black women are.
    Thanks again
    Bikosa

  44. black women don’t belong to me so why should i care about them.

  45. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    diaryofanegress, I know exactly whaaaat you mean. The REAL ones do feel this way about us. they might need a little nudging but they’re never far away from this connection to us, I think. I’ve decided not to waste any more time on the others. They can do nothing but drain our energy. A few TRUE Alpha black males can win this thing with us by their side.

  46. This actually made me tear up. I love black men, Miss CREE. They are ours and we have an obligation to them. There are times, however, that I wished they felt the same way.

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