About Christopher Dorner’s Firing From the LAPD: It Never Was Complicated

Former LAPD officer and accused murderer, Christopher Dorner.

The facts about former LAPD officer, Christopher Dorner’s, termination as they’ve been reported through various sources, is a classic illustration of the way racism (white supremacy) works.

Already we’ve been told both that Dorner was stripped of his badge in 2009 and that his badge was found in San Diego on Febrary 7, 2013. So, in this piece, I am assuming that this situation isn’t some set-up or drama orchestrated by white folks — who are known to execute massive frauds.

In this piece, I am also not addressing the murders that Dorner is accused of recently committing in the southern California region except to say the following: 1) It is incorrect to harm any person that is not white who poses no imminent danger to the physical safety of anyone else who is not white or to major property owned by persons who are not white, and; 2) I am grateful to the Creator that neither I nor anyone whom I hold dear has ever reached the desperate state that Mr. Dorner would’ve had to have been in order to seek to end one’s own existence or that of another.
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White reporters and white editors of media with the largest audience across the nation are cooperating with white persons who are officials in the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) by presenting the story of Christopher Dorner’s firing from the LAPD in 2009 as if it’s “complicated.” Racists (white supremacists) will always try to make things seem complicated whenever black people are close to clearly understanding anything about racism (white supremacy). This is not complicated. As said in that media release (“Manifesto”), it’s “plain as day.”

In order to make a determination that Christopher Dorner should be fired from the LAPD, its Board of Rights (BOR) was only required to determine that it was “more likely than not” that Dorner lied when he said that his white female partner, Teresa Evans, kicked white male suspect, Christopher Gettler, in an excessive use of force.

The state courts held a similar but lesser standard. The courts had to decide whether the Board of Rights (BOR) REASONABLY BELIEVED that Dorner was more likely to have lied than not.

Contrary to the findings of the BOR and the California trial and appellate courts, the testimony of neither the arrestee, Christopher Gettler, nor his father, Richard Gettler, is made less significant for any of the reasons the BOR cites. That testimony was that the female arresting officer kicked Gettler in the chin and the chest and that he told his father that he had been kicked by the female arresting officer who could have only been Evans. Simple.

It is irrelevant that Gettler suffers from mental illness.

It is immaterial that Gettler got Evans’ hair color wrong one of the two times he made a statement about it.
Anyone might have a condition that makes them more prone to be confused or forgetful about something. But, if such a person makes a statement that independently matches another person’s account, it is a practical certainty that the statement is true.

It is also irrelevant in this fact set whether, at the time of his report to his sergeant of the excessive use of force by Evans, that Dorner believed he was about to get an unsatisfactory performance review from Evans. This is the claim of Evans but one that has not been reported to have been documented anywhere. It matters not whether Evans was attempting to fabricate an unsubstantiated record of poor work performance by Dorner or whether Dorner actually was performing unsatisfactorily. It is immaterial because it is a statistical improbability that amounts to a practical impossibility that Gettler and Dorner would give independent accounts of Gettler being kicked by the female arresting officer unless Evans, in fact, kicked him. Dorner was not fired for poor performance. He was fired for lying about his report of Evans using excessive force. Simple.

It is clearly not more likely that Dorner lied than that he didn’t. It is, therefore, ridiculous to conclude, as the courts did, that the Board of Rights officials reasonably believed that Dorner lied. Yet, the system of racism (white supremacy) is as designed to produce such judicial and quasi-judicial outcomes as it is designed to produce resistance to them. As counter-racism science originator Neely Fuller Jr. wrote, “The seeds of the destruction of Racism (White Supremacy) are implanted in the existence of Racism itself.”

What does matter is that Los Angeles Port Police officer, Sgt. Hernandez, who is likely a white person that claimed to witness the entire arrest, lied about telling Dorner to fix his tie when Dorner wasn’t wearing one. I suspect that this was a code for the lynch rope that he and others were conspiring to metaphorically tie around Dorner’s neck. There is no other reason that I can think of for the man to include such an obviously false and extraneous piece of data. Malicious, coded language is an ever-present part of the practice of racism.
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Fresh out of the police academy in 2006, Dorner reported officers (who have Hispanic names but are arguably white) for using the word “nigger.” From that moment on, he was on the clock kept by the terrorist collective of white persons as a target of even greater mistreatment than he would normally receive as a black person. I’m sure with Mr. Dorner’s confusion about the system of racism (white supremacy), he had no clue that white folks were laying in wait for him with special plans for harm. This confusion was, necessarily, infused daily with his intimate interactions with white folks whom he “dated” and called his “friends.”
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If Mr. Dorner is still breathing, he surely sees now that this entire planet is a prison run by white supremacists. Whether they smiled at him, cried with him, drank beer with him, swore an oath to justice, or whispered sweet and absolute nothings in his ear, white folks meant him harm. Heck, I wonder if he’s heard the latest about Richard Gettler? The elder Gettler says he told Dorner that filing the report about his son being kicked by Evans was making “too big a deal” out of it. Best wishes to Mr. Dorner on the other side. Simple but hard.
Doesn’t get any simpler or any harder.

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28 Responses to “About Christopher Dorner’s Firing From the LAPD: It Never Was Complicated”

  1. Norriscool Says:

    Black folks must see with their own eyes and think with their own eyes. We must read, study, and do research. And use your education to develope a business class of people. We need to be able to defend ourselves without government help.We must promote marriage, family, education, & work. Take controll and responsibility for your life, health, &wealth, and not depend on nobody to meet our needs. 1Thes4:11 do this and youre free.

  2. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Indeed, Norriscool…people are leaving here all the time. Living and dying on purpose are the great tasks we are assigned.

  3. Norriscool Says:

    The media is a crooked mirror that white folks use to view themselves. The use the power of suggestion to brainwash, by repeating the same lie over & over to get u to believe. Mr. Donner was under the illusion of inclusion, and when he spoke he became their enemy. He failed to realize that when playing with the devil (2kings 5:27) you get burned. At least he was man enough the fight back against all odds. As MLK once said if u dont find a cause youre die for, youre fittin to live…..

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  5. Per usual another black/brown person being defamed and persecuted in the media. Why wouldn’t Mr. Dorner have been a victim of racism even as a police officer? I definitely can see him being fired in 2009 for complaining about racism.

    What police force with white cops isn’t racist? I’ve read part of that manifesto and who knows if Mr. Dorner even wrote it himself. One strange thing was the white media reported that his wallet and ID were found on border of Mexico, a couple of days before the white media reported that they found it near his charred remains.

    It’s amazing how laminated pieces of paper can be found twice at different locations these days for the same person and reported as being found initially. He may have been a patsy and used as a scape goat. Who knows, so many stories from the white media make no sense these days, that I don’t pay much attention to them.

    However, I definitely think that it was obvious how the media labeled Mr. Dorner a terrorist and called for a multiple state man hunt for him. If it had been a white person that committed these acts they would have claimed he was unemployed, mentally ill, victim of child abuse, nut job, etc. Just amazing how hypocritical the media is and how overtly racist it still is.

  6. @FTP
    >>>I’m white and to me the bigger issue here isn’t racism<<<

    Anytime someone tries to make the point that somethings not about racism in a world/country that's clearly divided by racial lines, any further comment that comes out of their mouth/keyboard is nul and void!.

  7. Thank you for that, m1. white folks doing what they do.

  8. Hello all,all hello. Throughout this Christopher Dorner matter there’ve been too many people especially black people,referring to this as a real life django unchained. Please end all django commentary,if you see a black person about to say django stop that pesron. Prof Marc lamont Hill black male tv commentator author victim of racism is being mistreated for an interview he gave on CNN.There are 2 videos out. the 1:09 video is edited to purposely demonize him. The 2nd 4:11 also demonizes him but its not solely focused on him(which i will get to).On a CNN discussion of the Christopher Dorner case and killing Prof Hill made thes comments “And as far as Dorner himself goes he’s been like a real life superhero to many people. now don’t get me wrong what he did was awful killing innocent people is bad but when you read his manifesto, when you read the message that he left,he wasn’t entirely crazy,He had a plan and a mission here and many people aren’t rooting here for him to kill innocent people.They’re rooting for somebody who was wronged to get a kind of revenge against the system.Its almost like watching DjangoUnchained in real life. Its kind of exciting.” Since Prof Hill made that statement He’s been castigated as someone who supports Dorner, someone who wrote a book with Mumia abu Jamal ,so he has a history of supporting cop killers. giving Dorner legitimacy. Has engaged in twitter wars with people (mostly white who i believe were being racist) . Wen’t on O Reilly show to explain himself and clarify his postition.The same O reilly who said he looked like a cocaine dealer ,even though they were colleagues on the same network. Prof Hill as we speak is still defending himself. Now to the 4:11 video at 1:54 we see a white male named Jack Moore a website commentator. Jack Moore says this about the Christopher Dorner case and killing.” the narrative of Christopher Dorner doesn’t and i mean it in someways resembles a Denzel washington movie.Where someone is wronged and he stands up for himself and it goes down in a blaze of glory.” Clearly Jack Moore could be accused of hero worship. Making a hero/movie analogy. Supporting a cop killer etc. Now Jack Moore isn’t being asked to clarify himself,explain his position. Since i dont have a twitter account,maybe some of you could tell me if Jack is being subjected to twitter wars by people angry at his support of a cop killer. Obvious racism/white supremacy on Prof Hill. A free pass for white Jack Moore,even though he engages in the same behavior . I know this post was lengthy,but we need to continue our countering.

  9. Police scanner audio of fire being started. Clearly just as premeditated as the murders Dorner is alleged to have committed. Be outraged.

  10. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    SODT-End white supremacy or die trying.

    Indeed, KP!!

  11. I’m white and to me the bigger issue here isn’t racism. It’s the blue wall of silence. Sure, racism played a part and individually there are many racists in the LAPD. But, the blue wall of silence transcends race and is the bigger monster here.

    For those interested: Here’s the home address of the bitch that started it all and through her abuse of the power given to her sparked the actions that resulted in 5 deaths.
    Disgraceful Pig Sgt. Teresa Lee Evans
    formerly Teresa Lee Evans-Lewis
    6413 E CANTEL ST
    LONG BEACH, CA 90815-2327
    Phone: 562-342-6407
    personal email: MYSWTDRNGLFY@HOTMAIL.COM

  12. @Cree You raise some very interesting questions. Hopefully in the future those questions will be answered. I guess there are maybe three scenarios that could be possible.
    1. He was an angry man that was wronged by the system. He “snapped” and felt this was his only option. And didn’t care if he died in the process.
    2. It was a Bin Laden/NDAA operation you spoke of.. Which of course we can’t rule out considering recent events.
    3. He was under some type of MK Ultra mind control to push an agenda. Read “Illuminati formula used to create an Undetectable total Mind control slave” by Fritz Springmeier.
    In the coming weeks I’m sure more “evidence” will come out. And hopefully an investigation on the LAPD. I fear that more events similar to this will happen. Especially with all this gun control talk in the media. I’m really praying for our people. We really need to wake up and be aware of our surroundings. I get this sick feeling something bad is on the horizon. But we have to have faith that we’ll pull through. I hope the Most High watches over you and your family. Keep fighting the good fight and don’t get discouraged.
    EWSODT-End white supremacy or die trying.
    Your brother in the struggle,KP

  13. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    All that could be true, KP. And, then, again, maybe it wasn’t Christopher Dorner at all. That’s just as likely in my mind. If it really was Christopher Dorner and there hasn’t been some significant fabrication going on, why all the inconsistencies> Here’s a partial list:

    • Manifesto discovered three days after the Irvine killings even though he has military and cop friends.
    • Badge found in San Diego on Thursday, but it’s said he was stripped of his badge in 2009.
    • The Riverside officers were looking for him when they were shot. No they weren’t looking for him. They were sitting at a red light.

  14. @Cree Just suppose? You bring up some very good questions. I have a few of my own.
    People can say what they want about him but ask yourself these questions to assess whether he probably was a sane man or not.

    1. Why didn’t he disguise himself/his murder attempts better?
    2. Why didn’t he initially kill the female hostage so she wouldn’t have escaped in the first place?
    3. Why didn’t he wait until he had dozens of dead bodies before publishing his Manifesto? Dorner basically gave them an APP on how to catch him.
    4. Why didn’t he kill on the DL and then go out of country? Ever see the Tom Cruise/Jamie Foxx movie Collateral?
    5. Why didn’t he plan the whole escape better as he had years to do so?

    Well, probably because he at heart was a good man. Say what you will but he was likely a good man who had been pushed too far. Think of all the middle-aged white dudes who get away with murder/molestation/heinous crimes for years and years simply because they keep their mouth shut. That is all Dorner had to do: keep his mouth shut and it would have been a pile-up of dead bodies before the cops put 2 and 2 together.

    Just some things running through my mind. At the very least maybe this will initiate some change in the LAPD. We can only hope.

  15. You’ve been crystal-clear, KP.

    No relative will be identifying the body. So, we’ll hafta take white folks’ word for it that they found the remains of Christopher Dorner.

    SUPPOSE: Christopher was real and his BOR and court case against the LAPD were real. But, that his identity has been stolen for the purpose of attributing FALSE-FLAG operations to him such as many say happened with Osama Bin Laden, 9-11, and NDAA. What if Christopher Dorner becomes a black boogie man that is the justification for MUCH greater harassment, shooting, and imprisoning of black people by enforcement officers; and to rile up greater active aggression against us ????? Just suppose.

  16. I understand your sentiments. It’s easy to have doubts about the “information” on the news in a system based on fabrication. Not sure what’s true just yet.
    I do know his plan was flawed from the beginning. But I don’t think he really cared. He just wanted the truth about his experience to get out. I’m sure you’ve heard by now they burned the cabin he was in. There are reports of a single shot heard before the tear gas was sent in. He may have taken himself out.Can’t say I’m surprised. That was the reason for his manifesto. He already knew he wouldn’t survive.
    The truth is he was not Superman. He was just a man who felt he was wronged. And went to his superiors and the court system—and found no justice. His fellow officer called him the “n word” and was suspended with pay. That’s punishment??lol You know how it is. He will be remembered as an angry,disgruntled man with a chip on his shoulder that killed innocent people. Well that’s how some will see him. Some will paint him as a hero or revolutionary. I think he was just a confused man who fell victim to a system he truly believed in. He had no where to turn so he just lashed out in a violent manner.
    Believe it or not there’s already talk of a film. If that does happen I’m very interested in how the LAPD will be portrayed. That is if racism is even addressed at all. As much as we may understand his pain and frustration– as decent people on a quest for justice we can’t condone what he did. You feel me Cree?

  17. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    “The question is–how many sleeping giants are out there?? What do you think?”–

    I don’t know, KP. They do seem to be coming closer and closer together. But, it’s really hard to know what is real and what is some fabricated drama with patsies.

    Definitely not effective counter-racism to to harm other people who are not white. I really thought Mr. Dorner was no longer breathing.

  18. @Cree They have him surrounded somewhere in the mountains. I believe he’s in a cabin and had hostages. We all knew at some point it would come to this. I don’t think this was well thought out. Most of us may understand his frustration but this was not the way to go about it. And some people actually think this is counter-racist activity. What?? Can you believe this Cree? How is the death of non whites productive to counter racism?? This does not move us closer to liberation or freedom. I think people are being to reactionary in their thinking. I realize he’s at the point of no return right now. But he’s prepared to die at this point. He feels as though the system let him down and now he’s lashing back in anger. Those of us who know how the system works are not surprised at anything in his manifesto. He was just a sleeping giant. The question is–how many sleeping giants are out there?? What do you think?

  19. “I just don’t understand why he didnt realize for whom he worked.”–

    I understand the confusion, hunglikejesus. But I think I do understand. To psychologically survive, almost all victims have had to carve out some fabricated exception for themselves so that we don’t feel like a fish in a bowl waiting to be shot: Thinking we are some sort of exception because:

    I grew up with them; I grew up like them; I’m exempt because I’m a good athlete, a good soldier, a patriot; I have secrets about how to slither through the system that other black people don’t; I help white folks understand about their racism towards black people and, then, they’re kinder and gentler with me.

    I know I’ve done it. Then, one day, the cognitive dissonance becomes greater than the terror of facing the reality squarely. What one will do in that moment…well, it depends. But, I think we see one version in Christopher Dorner and Omar Thornton.

  20. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    “The mental health issue is only to be used for white terrorists such as john hinckley Jared loughner Anders Brevik Ryan lanza Joseph stack etc. This is done to elicit sympathy and less criminal time for the white terrorist, no matter how many people are killed or wounded. This isn’t the case for Mr Dorner lovelle mixon Omar Thornton john Muhammad john Lee malvo and other blacks. [White folks] stay focused [on harming the black people.].”

    Thanks for bringing that up, m1. “Plain as day,” as Mr. Dorner said.

  21. Very interesting this began over. Officer Dorner defending a white guy being abused by his white female partner. Essentially he was being told to stay out of white folks business. Also shows why we need to keep emphasizing how equally treacherous and racist white females are.Officer Dorner in his manifesto stated how concussions through playing football and racism affected his mental state. However the mental health discussion isn’t being brought up here. The mental health issue is only to be used for white terrorists such as john hinckley Jared loughner Anders Brevik Ryan lanza Joseph stack etc. This is done to elicit sympathy and less criminal time for the white terrorist, no matter how many people are killed or wounded. This isn’t the case for Mr Dorner lovelle mixon Omar Thornton john Muhammad john Lee malvo and other blacks. Stay focused.

  22. Very well written Ms. Cree, I see you’ve been keeping your skills sharp. And your clarity is as bright as a starry night.

    Now, I am under the assumption that I will always be confused about R/WS and all I can hope for is to be a little less confused each day. With that, it’s no doubt in my mind that Mr. Dorner only included the racist because it added to his “resume”. He enjoyed white people’s company and if they were to wipe his slate clean right now, he would continue to enjoy their company. Not blaming him for that mind you, we are all victims. I also don’t blame him for striking out and killing other victims. It’s part of being a victim that allows for the shortsightedness. And I’m sure in his mind he feels he’s at war and in war end is justified mean. All his other points are what we all feel on these jobs daily and personally I have on more than one occasion wanted to reach out a touch someone. But my little understand of R/WS told me that the only person that would lose is me. Mr. Dorner knows the history of police and especially the history of the LAPD, so why the shock that it was his turn. And please, don’t mistake this for me being against Mr. Dorner because I’m not, this could easily be me. I just don’t understand why he didnt realize for whom he worked.

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  24. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Yes sir/mam. A trip to hell.

  25. Very clear and thoughtful as always Cree. I always get hype to read a blog post or join a radio show hosted by you. Continue in your works.

    As I read the “Manifesto” this section stood out to me.

    What they failed to mention in the BOR was Teresa Evans own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70’s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. Teresa Evans was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with Teresa Evans, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, Dominick Fuentes, and herself. Dominick Fuentes is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not Dominick Fuentes, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. Evans, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when Randy Quan asked you if you kicked Christopher Gettler. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions. Time is up. The time is now to confess to Chief Beck.

    Racist woman can be a trip eh…..?

  26. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Nope, “You can’t hide from your master whilst on the plantation.”

  27. Miss CREE:

    Mr Dorner learned the hard way that there was, is and always will be a division between the races, especially within the confines of a structure rooted in Slave-catching (police).

    He believed, wrongly, that due to the fact that these “beings” were apart of his profession, he was one of them. Hence the confusion we have within the system of racism/white supremacy. Whites will tolerate us for as long as possible to benefit themselves and once our role has been fulfilled or they have a new dark-skinned scapegoat, we shall perish under the system.

    Make no mistake that this plays into the Black Brute stereotype and having a movie like Django in the Theaters about a dark-skinned black man killing white people ONLY MAKES THIS WORSE.

    The Obama Effect is in full swing and more of us will be targeted. Mr. Dorner will not survive this and I’m sure whites will use him as the ultimate lesson to show us:

    “You can’t hide from your master whilst on the plantation.”

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