Black Men Magazine Covers Don’t Cover Contempt for Black Women

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I’m supposed to criticize black women for crossing over? I cannot.

Let me first state that we are dealing with numbers here. It has gotten to be annoying but necessary to preface all comments that deal with social phenomena with an acknowledgement that what is discussed is of a general nature based upon statistical odds. Please do not reply with singular examples or point out that this does not apply to all black men or all black women. Obviously, it does not. Not all people fall ill to anything. An epidemic does not have to affect everyone for it to be an emergency.
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The evidence is that the vast majority of black men prefer women who look more like the non-black man’s mother when he was conceived than his own. That evidence is blaring in the dating site statistics; studies done by black people in social psychology journals; marriage and cohabitation studies done by black and white scientists and economists; the casting calls for rap videos, and, most importantly; the everyday experience of black girls and women. This last proof is what young women see when they walk into their brothers’, cousins’, and male friends’rooms or into convenience stores where black men are browsing these magazines. Friday night at the club shows more of the same. Black men carrying toddler seats to the restaurant table shows more of the same.

Statistics showing that currently married black men are mostly married to black women do not contradict this evidence. A large percentage of black men do not marry at all. And, when they do, they overwhelmingly strive to do so with women who have traits atypical of black women in any significant part of Africa that has not been exposed to admixture with non-black genetics. Again, this a matter of plain fact that is demonstrated by solid scientific data. Men all over the world have always availed themselves of the opportunity to put their penises in the available vaginas when the vaginas of the women they most desired—- beyond their genital’s ability to produce brief physical pleasure with eyes closed, if necessary— were not available. And, when there are no vaginas, the evidence is that many men will use another man’s rectum. So, the mere result of a nappy-headed baby being born of such sexual contact is not any evidence of preference for their nappy-headed mothers.

The evidence is also that the overwhelming majority of black women, however, prefer black men over every other type of men. Said evidence can be found in all of the sources referenced in the paragraph above this one.

These are the facts. This is not a matter of “debating over who’s been oppressed the worst, who isn’t valued the most, who’s been hurt the most etc.” It is, to me, disingenuous to attempt to put this matter of preference in a hat with all of the issues termed “gender wars” between black men and black women. All other matters of behavior are moot between a man and a woman when the man really does not want her because of how she looks. This is similar to tabling all communication and other issues when one spouse learns that the other is homosexual.

So, what are the millions of black women to do with no prospects of marrying a black man who truly wants and desires her? She has four options:
1) Be back-up pu$$y whether dating or married;
2) Be in a polygynous relationship with one of the few black men who do genuinely prefer black women;
3) Be celibate; * In my view, this includes changing one’s intimacy orientation to lesbianism and seeking to only have one’s eggs fertilized by some means unrelated to heterosexual pair-bonding.
4) Accept an offer of marriage or a date she believes could lead to marriage with a non-black man

These are all bad options compared to being with a black man who truly desires her. Option 1 encourages this trend among black men to continue or accelerate and is the option most black women are taking. But, for most black women, each of these four options compromise both her physical and emotional health. Far be it from me to criticize any black woman for reaching for the poisoned food from which she is left to choose. It is up to black men to work among themselves to get the poison out of the soil.

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If you have food to offer me in a prison when I have none, how do you with any sanity and honor criticize me for taking food from a guard? That is what black men do who criticize black women for accepting offers from white men.

* “Option 3” was amended to correct an oversight that originalwoman13 pointed out in the comments to this piece.

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109 Responses to “Black Men Magazine Covers Don’t Cover Contempt for Black Women”

  1. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Something else that’s too common. Black guys who think having a non Black girl is better only to bet burned(with false rape charges, civil suits and other monetary damages). This one Jonnu Smith was literally burned by his non Black female.

    http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Pregnant-Girlfriend-of-FIU-Football-Star-Arrested-After-Throwing-Boiling-Water-on-Him-During-Argument-400693561.html

  2. You’re very welcome Cree. Well This is the first time I’ve ever done anything like this. I had to add you for all the valuable information you’ve given me over the years. You as well as Trojan Pam and Diary of a Negress. You’re in good company. I know you don’t post as much but it’s good to go back and read your past posts. I tell people to visit your blog all the time. Yes I’m doing pretty good. How’s that book coming along?? Keep me posted. Sending you love and light. Ashe’

  3. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Thank you and you are welcome, Kushite Prince! Gotta be someone more deserving this time though. I haven’t written anything on here in well over two years!! Well, hope its classic!!?? Hope you are doing well also.

  4. Kushite Kingdom Awards…….coming soon. You might have a nomination.lol I also want to thank you Cree for all the information you’ve given me over the years. I really appreciate all your work in counter-racism. It is very much appreciated right now. Especially as the current racial climate has gotten worse. The media loves to play mind games with us right?? Thanks and I hope you’re doing well.

  5. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    The show Survivor’s Remorse,isn’t an awful show,but as a sitcom it’s not consistently funny. Lebron James while an executive producer ,his name is used to sell the show. The creator.head writer and No.1 executive producer is a white guy named Mike OMalley. Think about it would people tune in to a show advertised From executive producer Mike O Malley or would they tune in to a show advertised From executive producer Lebron James? While Lebron’s record on RWS maybe mixed,he’s still someone I respect. He’s a multi champion at his craft(you can question how Cleveland came back from 3-0 against Golden State).good businessman,married to a Black lady his high school sweetheart,no drugs.illegal guns,not at the strip club making it rain,no white or non black girls. Once again Cree I hope you are as well as one can be and that my post 2nd on Adam Hilarie was sufficient. Condolences to Adam’s daughter and surviving family members.

  6. Thanks Cree. It’s a very interesting show. I think you’ll like some of the topics. I agre,LBJ has a mixed record dealing with these white folks. It’s not easy trying to navigate in WS when you’re such a huge icon. But I think LBJ is handling much better than others. Thanks for the reply. I realize you’re a very busy woman.

  7. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Adam Hilarie the murdered person leaves behind a 5 yr old daughter. Met the girl on a website called “PlentyofFish”. Went looking for love,he was targeted by his “date” 27 yr old Black male.

    Hailey Rose Bustos the girl Adam met online. The girl who had him as a mark to be robbed ,home burgled and ultimately murdered. 18 yr old white girl. Could be classified as non white Latina due to her surname.

    Andre Warner ,Joshua Ellington,Gary Gray the cohorts of Hailey Bustos that would attempt to burgle Adam’s home while he was supposed to be out on a date with his new girlfriend. After he and Hailey came home and surprised the trio.One of these people shot Adam in the head,killing him. Andre Warner 26 yr old black male,Joshua Ellington 26 yr old black male,Gary Gray 31 yr old black male.

    Bustos,Warner,Ellington and Gray are equally charged with various crimes including Adam’s murder.

    However, as to be expected the white girl/Latina take your pick is somehow being presented as less evil than her Black co conspirators. Maybe even a victim of these Black guys.

    She supposedly said “Please don’t kill him.” As if to show that she had feelings for him. She is also reported to have been paid $50 to go on the website and date him. As if to make her out to be a pawn or forced by these much worse Black guys.

    Here are some articles. Hopefully,these don’t vanish like the other one I posted.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-murder-robbery-online-dating-20160822-story.html

    http://www.bet.com/news/national/2016/08/23/details-behind-young-father-robbed-and-killed-after-being-set-up.html

    http://fox59.com/2016/08/23/florida-man-lured-to-his-death-through-online-dating-site-police/

    I hope this is sufficient.

  8. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    I am well. Hope you are, too.
    I need color the classifications of the victim and each of the alleged perps.

  9. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Maybe. utt, if so, they truly do not have an understanding of how muchLBJ is hated and why.

  10. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    I hope you’ll accept my apology for the delay, Kushite Prince. ime gets shorter and shorter while the “TO DO” list gets longer and longer.

    I had never heard of the program nyou reference. I’ll checkit out if time permits. Thanks for letting me know of LBJ’s associations with it. LBJ has a mixed record on dealing with the system of racism. Far better than his contemporaries and I don;t blame him at all given the tremendous terrorist pressure likely being brought to bear by racists (Anti-Blackists) against him and.or his dear ones. He’s not a singular hero I’d allowed myself to believe he was. But, that was silly of me. Nobody can be a singular hero in this system.
    It’s gonna take a trillion chops to topple this tree. Some chops bigger than others.

  11. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Hello Cree,

    I hope all is well as can be in this system. I saw this article and it reminded me of the writing/speech you did on How black males go for non black/latinas because “They ‘re much nicer than black women. They call us popi.” Look at what the havoc 1 white girl/latina/white latina take your pick caused.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/c5c36aa1-922c-3622-a5ee-c91324c9b54d/police%3A-man-robbed%2C-killed.html

  12. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    I bet after game seven,people were saying “You know, maybe Ayesh was correct?”

  13. Cree,do you watch the show Survivor’s Remorse? I had never seen the show before until a friend told me that Lebron James was the producer. It’s kind of a comedy/drama…a dramedy I guess. I have watched about three episodes so far. The show has some funny moments and some decent dialogue. But I watched the new episode yesterday and there was a great exchange between a dark skinned sista and a light skinned sista. The dark skinned black woman had the light skinned woman replaced with a dark brown woman for a photo shoot. She said that dark skinned women are not represented enough in the media as love interests. The two really went at it. I have to admit I hadn’t seen this type of dialogue on colorism on television. Can you name a film or television show that touches on the subect? I can’t think of too many. Here’s an interview with beautiful actress Teyonah Parris about the episode.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/arts/television/on-survivors-remorse-teyonah-parris-colorism-starz.html
    Be sure to check out the episode in reruns if you get a chance. I think you’ll find it interesting. The only thing I didn’t like is they never bring up white supremacy in these issues. It seems to always get swept under the rug. When we all know it’s the root of all this colorism.

  14. Jesse Williams at last night’s BET Awards.

    ““But freedom is always conditional here. ‘You’re free!’ they keeping telling us. ‘But she would be alive if she hadn’t acted so … free.’ Now, freedom is always coming in the hereafter, but the hereafter is a hustle: We want it now.

    “Let’s get a couple of things straight. The burden of the brutalized is not to comfort the bystander – that’s not our job so let’s stop with all that. If you have a critique for our resistance then you’d better have an established record, a critique of our oppression.

    “If you have no interest in equal rights for black people then do not make suggestions to those who do: sit down.

    “We’ve been floating this country on credit for centuries, and we’re done watching and waiting while this invention called whiteness uses and abuses us, burying black people out of sight and out of mind while extracting our culture, our dollars, our entertainment like oil – black gold! – ghettoizing and demeaning our creations and stealing them, gentrifying our genius and then trying us on like costumes before discarding our bodies like rinds of strange fruit.

    “Just because we’re magic doesn’t mean we’re not real.

    “Thank you.”
    I must admit these were some very powerful words. I must tip my hat. But he has said similar things in the past. You and I have spoke about this before. I’m sure you have some thoughts on this. Why do I feel like this is Harry Belafonte 2016?? Maybe I’m analyzing things too much.

  15. It’s okay Cree. I know it’s quite a lot to digest. I threw a lot at you.lol

  16. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    I didn’t get an email notification, KP of this comment. So sorry so late. Please give me a day or two to reply.

  17. @ Cree
    Looks like a game 7 is on the way!lol I wanted to tell you something in light of Ayesha Curry’s Twitter rant. I’m sure you’ve heard by now that she was upset at her husband’s lost and stated that the game was rigged. She later deleted the tweet and apologized. But now the discussion is out there in social media.
    Not sure if I ever told you this but I have a friend of mine that used to play college football for UCLA many years ago. And he told me about how some players “point shave” in games. They would purposely let opponents score touchdowns. He also told me about how they had to cover the spread fro Vegas bookies. I also have a family friend who plays in the NFL. He has told me similar information as well. As a matter of fact he told me back in December that the Denver Broncos would beat the Panthers in the Super Bowl. This really blew my mind! Of course you know I’m a bit of a conspriracy theorist to a degree. And some people want to call me crazy,that’s okay with me. The truth is I use critical thinking skills,look for patterns and cross references. Then I draw a logical conclusion.
    As you know Cree,many times black people don’t like to do research and trust whatever the white-controlled media tells them. You and I are much smarter than that. If the white supremacy controls television,film industry,education,health, and music industry…why would sports be exempt? The NBA,NFL,baseball and hockey make billions every year. There’s too much money in it for it be a “fair game”. The Freemasons,secret socites(powerful white folks) control pretty much control all entertainers and sprts stars. They give them million dollar contracts therefore they OWN these people. Over the past fifteen years I have studied these secret socities as well as sacred geometry,occult knowledge,numerology,ancient mystery teachings,royal family and esoteric knowledge. Ihave over fifty boos on this type of knowledge because I wanted a better understanding of how the world operates. And the elite practice this knowledge and have been for many years. I wont get too deep into the satanic and devil worshiping stuff. Although I’m sure you’re aware of it. But I will say that I have noticed a lot of synchronicty with the death of celebrites. And I know most big superstars “sell their soul” for fame and fortune. I personally believe many celebs are sacrificed by these sick people. I wanted to show a few things I have observed. You may know some of this already.
    1. Pop singer prince died on April 21. It just happended tp be the birthdate of Queen Elizabeth. The son fo a queen is a “prince”. I believe he was killed for a wanting his master recordings back but they just wanted to do it on her birthday as a celebration to her. Nina Simone alos died on what would’ve been the queen’s 70’s birthday.
    2.Afeni Shakur died on May 2,2016. Her son Tupac usd the alias Makaveli. Which he got from the historian/philosopher Niccolo Machiavelli. Niccolo’s birthday is May 3,1469. Tupac’s birthday is June 16,1971. Here’s what’s a bit stange. If you count from May 2 to June 16 it’s exactly 45 days. Tupac would’ve been 45 years old today! I think there’s some type of correlation linking her death with her son’s birth. It’s perfect synchonicity with Afeni,Niccolo and Tupac. What are the odds of that?
    3. Boxing great Muhammad Ali died on June 3,2016. In numerology that would be 6/3. The prophet Muhammad died at 63 years old. 6+3=9 is how it’s read.The number 9 in numerology represents the number of completion. It’s seen as the perfect number. That’s why you have so many celebs who have dies at age 27. 2+7 =9 They even call it the 27 Club.
    http://diffuser.fm/rockers-who-died-at-age-27/
    Also I found it starnge that Ali just happen to die on June 3 just two days before Ramadam. Which started on June 5 and celebrated by Muslims worldwide. It’s a month of fasting.
    4. King James of Scotland was born on June 19,1566. Game 7 is on June 19 this coming Sunday. Which means if the Cavs win it will be a celebration of King James!! But which one??lol Or maybe it’s just a coincidence.
    After years of study and seeing these patterns I don’t really believe in coincedences anymore. I just follow the logic. that’s why God gave me a brain. Just a little food for thought. Let me know what you think.

  18. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Haha. Indeed, KP.

  19. I thought you might like that. I guess I know you pretty well.lol

  20. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Ooooo-weeee. ❤ ❤ ❤

    I concur with this fellow 1000+%

    Thanks for sharing, Kushite Prince!!

  21. @CREE
    “As for Curryy being the golden boy? Yes, I do believe that his light skin and eyes, pointed nose, and small build, and racially ambiguous wife contribute greatly to the estimation of his greatness. Though he IS a spectacular talent. He is far less threatening to white men’s sense of masculinity. He is certainly the most prolific outside shooter to date and has excellent ball-handling skill. The way he plays demonstrates far less muscular virility than most of the great black players today and in the past. He is has had a GREAT impact on the way the game will be played from henceforth. But, there will be other players who will shoot just as well as he does int he near future. There just has not been that emphasis in the past. Brown-skinned players Buddy Hield and Jamal Murray are said to have made 85 and 79 of 100 3-pointers in their pre-draft work-outs. It will just take children growing up playing that way. Curry is benefiting from guys growing up not defending that much of the floor—in both the outside shot and the inside stuff he gets as a result. It’s hard to get out of the habit of defending a smaller acreage.”
    Very well said! That was a great analysis. And I definitely feel where you’re coming from. I’ve thought the same thing myself.
    I want you to check out this post from a blogger. It’s in regard to the friendship between Lebron and Dwayne Wade. I wanted your thought on it.

    The White media and the White owned NBA hate of Lebron’s and Dwaynes Wade friendships infuriates the NBA and the Negroes in the NBA because most of them got to the NBA by distancing themselves from African-Americans and showing disdain for African-American people who their White High School coaches did not care for.

    Wade and Lebron grew up in homogeneous African-American communities from broken Black families that relied on the beautiful humanity of African American families who helped these young men out. Lebron, leaned heavily on his four African American friends and Dwayne Wade while in high school moved in with his African American ex wifes mother when his mother and father couldn’t help him.

    Their is a socialization process that most African-American athletes go through. In exchange for validation and love from the racist White community they belong to, they in exchange begin to show disdain and nasty attitudes towards ordinary African-Americans. There are holes in this socialization process.

    Michael Oher story of a White family “rescuing” him from the inner cities even though the truth of the story was Michael Oher was seen as a talented athlete prior to entering high school. The family that “adopted” him and the tutors that helped him were all Ole Miss Boosters. And Michael Oher ended up playing at Ole Miss. Lebrons story of moving in with a Black family and having a Black male mentor is hardily ever mentioned.
    One of the reasons why Mike Tyson is a more beloved boxing figure than Floyd Mayweather Jr., even though he has a worse personal history. Is that Mike Tyson story involves a White hero figure in Cus D’Mato. Floyd Mayweather Jr. a boxing prodigy was not taught boxing by a White man, he was taught boxing from his father a former Boxer Floyd Mayweather Sr and his uncle Roger Mayweather . Floyd since he was an amateur has always had a Mayweather elder from his family in his corner. There is no White hero figure that the White media can talk about who taught the BEST PURE BOXER to ever fight.

    Floyd Mayweather Sr. has never won boxing trainer of the year, he’s never gotten the praise of White boxing trainers like Freddie Roach even though he created and trained from the bottom up the greatest boxer ever.

    White racism has gotten stronger because the White USA Government has masterfully destroyed many Black families. White America becomes stronger when Black men don’t get good fathers or good male mentors in their lives to make them competitors with their enemies White males.

    Imagines of Lebron and Wade, Floyd and Floyd Sr and Kenny and Sean Porter are so damaging and hurtful to White collective ego because they know deep down inside African people don’t need them. They just hope African people don’t realize this. Whites look to exploit everyone and everything on this planet it is in their DNA.

    Lebron and Wade’s friendship goes against the norm that we see in sports, on jobs of African-American men who have petty jealousy towards one another. We see Black men throw each other under he bus from elementary school to the grave all to try to make themselves endearing to White communities around America. Lebron and Wade said it best, once we finish dribbling these balls we will have a friendship built on mutual respect and love for one another because we come from the same struggle.

    They want Black men to always have that White paternalistic figure holding Black mens hand. White males who organize and group up exclusively more than any group hate to see Black men show the same type of love for themselves and other Black men. Whites understand young Black boys could watch Lebron and Wade frienship and say to themselves I don’t have to hate on my brother, I could work with him and we could both achieve our dreams and goals together in love and respect. That is what the NBA hates about Lebron and Wade.

  22. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    This online exchange I just had with a longtime associate will be of greatest interest to those who avidly follow basketball. But, really, it is applicable to all endeavors of black people and our encounters with nonblack people. It’s pretty long. But, it expresses something I’ve been wanting to say for some time about the black person who is The Anomaly in this system:

    Kushite Prince wrote:

    ” Hey Cree! How’s it going? I’m sure you’ve been watching the NBA Finals. It’s a pretty good series. Last year a lot of people were pulling for the Warriors. And it’s seems Curry has become the new face of the NBA. Somewhat of a media darling. And of course Lebron James still has his haters. Curry is an amazing player,you have to respect his game. I was happy for him last year. But I really think this is the year for James. I think Kyrie has played a lot better this year. He’s stepped up his game a lot. I also think Cleveland really is craving this championship.
    Do you think it will go to a game 7? I personally think it will. I think the Cavs will win on Thursday but it will be a battle. I had a few questions for you. A friend of mine told me he thinks the NBA is hyping up Curry a lot because he is a light-skinned man with light colored eyes. And so is his wife and daughter.
    1.Do you think Curry’s light skin plays a part in his hype?
    2. Do you think the media plays on the dark skin vs light skin angle?(Lebron vs Curry)
    3. Do you think if Lebron wins he will leave Cleveland?
    I hope you and your family are doing well. And I hope the book is coming along. Go Cavs!”
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    In reply to Kushite Prince.
    “So good to hear from you, Kushite Prince.
    Yes, yes. As as an admirer of LeBron James, the man, I am an avid, anxious watcher of how he and his team does and how people treat him.
    Maaaan, at no time in the history of basketball do I know of a player t taunted and received the way LeBron was before game 5 this year. The entire arena booed him every time he TOUCHED THE BALL from the time WARM-UPS started right through to the 3rd quarter or so when he just shut them up by his and Kyrie’s dominant performance. AND, the media coverage of the win was more muted than any I have seen throughout the playoffs. It’s the quiet that follows something with a counter-racist effect that is the marker of the extraordinary. And, also, a sure sign that the person(s) delivering that effect will be forever marked for an extra dose of mistreatment (Witness Haiti). I hope one day to get a chance to talk with LeBron because his post basketball life will, without, insightful counsel likely stun him continuously. I’m not sure he understands just how much he threatens the psychological ease and stability of nonblack people and why. I don’t think Kareem Abdul-Jabbar ever understood —as well-functioning as are his synapses and neurons.

    I don’t know if it will go to a game 7. There are so many things that happen outside the lines and rules wherein outcomes are shaped—what goes in hydration bottles, pressure to put in players who will not perform correctly, white men like Kevin Love and Dellevadova playing without vigor or playing recklessly just to spite LBJ, white refs not calling fouls or calling plays correctly. It’s hard to say.

    As for Curryy being the golden boy? Yes, I do believe that his light skin and eyes, pointed nose, and small build, and racially ambiguous wife contribute greatly to the estimation of his greatness. Though he IS a spectacular talent. He is far less threatening to white men’s sense of masculinity. He is certainly the most prolific outside shooter to date and has excellent ball-handling skill. The way he plays demonstrates far less muscular virility than most of the great black players today and in the past. He is has had a GREAT impact on the way the game will be played from henceforth. But, there will be other players who will shoot just as well as he does int he near future. There just has not been that emphasis in the past. Brown-skinned players Buddy Hield and Jamal Murray are said to have made 85 and 79 of 100 3-pointers in their pre-draft work-outs. It will just take children growing up playing that way. Curry is benefiting from guys growing up not defending that much of the floor—in both the outside shot and the inside stuff he gets as a result. It’s hard to get out of the habit of defending a smaller acreage.

    Aywho, Curry is less threatening than Lebron and Kareem just in his demeanor aside from his coloring and build. It’s an intangible. But, just like most black people knew Mark Furhman was a rabid, diectly violent racist just by looking at him, most white people know that LeBron is not essentially broken by the system. He’s an anomaly that is VERY threatening to white people. And, on top of it, he’s 6’8″, 250lb, a skilled, calm professional of his craft. He’s a nightmare for them.

    The only thing worse would be his equivalent in a scientific field.

  23. Hey Cree! How’s it going? I’m sure you’ve been watching the NBA Finals. It’s a pretty good series. Last year a lot of people were pulling for the Warriors. And it’s seems Curry has become the new face of the NBA. Somewhat of a media darling. And of course Lebron James still has his haters. Curry is an amazing player,you have to respect his game. I was happy for him last year. But I really think this is the year for James. I think Kyrie has played a lot better this year. He’s stepped up his game a lot. I also think Cleveland really is craving this championship.
    Do you think it will go to a game 7? I personally think it will. I think the Cavs will win on Thursday but it will be a battle. I had a few questions for you. A friend of mine told me he thinks the NBA is hyping up Curry a lot because he is a light-skinned man with light colored eyes. And so is his wife and daughter.
    1.Do you think Curry’s light skin plays a part in his hype?
    2. Do you think the media plays on the dark skin vs light skin angle?(Lebron vs Curry)
    3. Do you think if Lebron wins he will leave Cleveland?
    I hope you and your family are doing well. And I hope the book is coming along. Go Cavs!

  24. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    N.S., you either did not use enough effort to read this post or you do not have adequate comprehension skills for it. All of your objections were anticipated and countered in the post. Your comment makes all the same points I’d read hundreds of times before I wrote this piece and, in no small part, are what motivated me to write it.

  25. The vast majority of black males are married to black women OR in relationships with black women. The majority of kids being born to a black parent are black, not biracial(look up the statistics). When you go in public, you will always see many more black men and black women then non-black men with non-black women. Your statistical research is easily debunked. Even Black Men magazine, which has nowhere near as many black male subscribers as you imply, has mostly had black models, not white or Asian, on the cover.

    As for rap videos, for the vast majority of rap history in their videos, there have been dark-skinned black women in the videos. The music by black men has almost always praised black women, not other groups. It was only a few years ago that black women have disappeared, but then again so are black rappers. And someone like you should know the real truth about what happens in rap. A lot of blacks believe the one drop rule, so the belief that biracial is the same as black is because of that.

    The majority of issues going on between some black couples have little to do with skin color.

    There are too many black men who are leaving black women behind, however, they are considerably fewer than those of us who are with black women. We can do nothing but tell them of the consequences of leaving; however, in this day and time, we do not have the time or energy to try to stop them. The whole “we have to settle for black women” argument is nonsense; we are choosing to be with black women. Don’t slander black men who are with black women just because some of us are dating out.

  26. TheOriginalBlackWoman13 Says:

    I’m sad to hear that you have retired from blogging. You have a great blog and I learned a lot from it. I’m sure that your blog will continue to educate those who want to be educated. Good luck on your future endeavors!

  27. Hey Cree. Sorry to hear you’ve all but given up on blogging. That is a huge loss to us in the blogosphere. I know it can be really draining at times. All the debating and going back and forth with other bloggers. But I must say I always appreciated your blog. I think you opened up the minds of many black people who were still confused. Your hard work is not in vain. I really liked your last radio broadcast about “racism is normal”. It was a great show! You and Sonny really brought up some great points. I downloaded and added it to my archives. I know you’re probably busy writing your book. I know it’s going to be a great read. It would have to be good coming from a woman with such great insight on how racism works. Pleas let me know when it drops. I’ll be sure to promote it.
    I must admit I hate to see you stop blogging. But that’s for my own selfish reasons.lol But hopefully you’ll still do some shows when you feel compelled to do so. Also I sent you an email last week. I wanted your opinion on the new Ebony magazine cover. The issue is about Black power and black people protesting against injustice. The cover features only light skinned and biracial people. I’m starting to wonder if this is being done on purpose. I’ve noticed this push of biracial/mixed people being put in the forefront of many of these movements. I get the feeling that the white supremacists see them as a better representation of black people. What do you think? Just a feeling I get…I could be wrong. Anyway thanks for all your hard work. I just want you to know you are appreciated. 🙂

  28. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    KJ, I was compelled to reply to your comment on this post although I have all but given up blogging for the foreseable future.

    Your experience, your story is heartbreaking. And, it is excruciating to me that is is the norm for black women. Self, FIRST, KJ. Group considerations are only an informed application of this principle. That is, there are times when the best overall outcome for the individual, on average, is to promote the well-being of one or more groups one belongs to. When it is clear that this benefit is absent, grouup loyalty in specific instances is no longer logical.

    So—- You are 39 years old. That is young for a black woman. Stay or get fit and you’ll have quite a selection of men who will tell you you are beautiful, open doors for you, be sexually faithful, etc…. Hell, when I was a few years older than you, I joined one of those class reunion sites and saw all the white “hunks” from high school days repeatedly viewing my profile. Of course they looked weathered and paunchy as did the women from our graduating class. Also, black males 10-15 yrs younger than you outnumber women their age. So, that expands your selection. Do YOU.

    BTW, I don’t think traveling is of much use in escaping the misogynoir of black men. The infection is global. They’ll “settle” for you. But, who wants that? And, if you ever re-locate back to the states, you may lose them to an unattractive non-black woman….Stay beautiful and encouraged, lady. No woman in this world compares to the beuatiful black woman in North America.

  29. Last new years eve, I visited my brother. So he is married to a filipino. His two bestfriends (both d/s black men), one is married to a very obese mexican woman. She had a previous child, and they have one together. The other bestfriend has a mexican girlfriend who looks about ten years older than him. She brought her two kids, from previous relationships. I am single. So here I am surrounded by a bunch of black men with nonblack women (and undesirable to boot). I was already depressed as it was, b/c the man I was interested in (d/s brotha) was far away in another city, and hadnt invited me to spend nye with him. My present company just broke the camels back. I didnt even bring in the new year with them, at about 1145 I got up and went to bed, didnt say bye or anything. This is in Cali, the bay area. My brother told me he fell in love with her because the “way her hair whipped in the wind”. Clearly black womens hair cannot “whip”. He didnt marry her right away though, they were together for several years. I can at least say that. In fact, they didnt get married until after their first child. One day Ill ask him what he didnt marry a black woman. Well, actually we know why, so I probably wont bother.
    Im mentally ill myself from the effects of 24/7 global/national/local white supremecy, so I cant criticize too much. I just turned 39 and the only relationship Ive ever had was twenty years ago, and that was dysfunctional of course.

  30. @Khoisanprincess_stolen12, I don’t think black women going to church is the reason for black men wanting a white woman. They just want a white woman. It’s as simple as that. And I’ll go so far as to say this, if the black woman had a man, and I mean a good man, an intelligent black man, a man that supports the family and takes care of his family, Jesus couldn’t get within 10 feet of the black female. I think the reason a lot of black women are in the church is because of dissatisfaction with the black male. She has no confidence in him. He does not make her feel secure and the question becomes why is he not making her feel secure. And, I think the black man should love the black woman more…UNCONDITIONALLY. For a black person to be with a white person, that black person has to accept white racism. They have accept what the white spouse says and what the white spouse’s family says. This is true in ALL interracial relationships. They couldn’t be together if there was any racial conflict so the black person acquiesces to white racism. Logic dictates this has to be the case. All I’m saying is what pushes a black man to a white woman is the black man.

  31. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Go2hellBM, the options listed are not in order of anyone’s preference. But, you have made yours clear 🙂

  32. Why is the interracial dating option UNDERNEATH Lesbianism ??? I don’t think that much of black men & I definitely wouldn’t turn into a lesbian if I couldn’t get a black man! Changing your whole sexuality over BM. Now that’s a slap in the face, though you may not have meant it as such.

  33. ” Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the reason why Black men who are ages 45 and under prefer non-Black women is because they are afraid of getting pushed aside for the preacher or the religion that Black women cling to in overwhelming numbers?”

    Seriously??? Khoisanprincess_stolen12, I’m glad that you are thinking much more clearly on the subject of “religion.” But, the question you asked is much too far of a leap for me to have considered or to ever consider.

  34. Khoisanprincess_stolen12 Says:

    To simplify the point I was making earlier, some Black males might choose non-Black females in part because they are less likely to have to share her with or take a backseat position to white Jesus and the pastor.

  35. Khoisanprincess_stolen12 Says:

    One angle that I have yet to see addressed in this topic is the overwhelming support that some Black women show for Jesus and the church at the expense of their marriage and family. Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps the reason why Black men who are ages 45 and under prefer non-Black women is because they are afraid of getting pushed aside for the preacher or the religion that Black women cling to in overwhelming numbers? As a Black woman who was indoctrinated in a church, I remember seeing many older women who were married but we’re almost never seen in church with their husbands because they spent 4-7 days per week in church, Bible study, ministry meetings and following the pastor to guest speaker engagements. When they weren’t in church, they were talking about church or quoting scriptures ad nauseum. They were also the ones who were more likely to have sons incarcerated or otherwise making choices that didn’t turn out well.

    I’m not saying that we brought this on ourselves ladies, but we need to be really honest about the situation. We can’t expect Black men to love us more than non-white women if we love a non-white man more than him, even if that man is believed to supposedly be the savior.

    My stats: 31 year old single Black female, have not had sex with a non-Black man in the last 5 years (or with any man I’m proud to be celibate), single parent raised, delivered from the mind control of the church.

  36. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Sarcasm Advisory:
    Thank you for the context. Black males are the only appropriate frame to view anything having to do with black people.

  37. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Interesting news. The white actress who made the racist Hollaback catcalling video. The video that purposely left out white guys and only showed black guys catcalling her as she walked on NYC streets. She’s suing the makers of this racist video for 500,000.Apparently this video got 40 million views and she only got $200. I am glad she was underpaid. Considering,the racism and damage she was pushing,I have no sympathy for her. Especially when she willingly helped demonize black males,when the real people who mistreat/ mistreated her are her own white brothers. Let’s just remember how vicious white females can be. Especially , when we see the attacks on FSU black athletes by white females,Bill Cosby,etc.

  38. @HoneybeeTree, You say black women will lick the boots of black men while black men praise all other non-black women (I’m paraphrasing here). You say black women ADORE black men. When I hear BW say that, I never can understand what is so “adorable” about BM. I find BM mean, generally speaking. To me personally, they seem mean to BW like BW are just year old dog poop. It just never made sense to me. How can one half of the race be anamored with the other, while the other half takes a dump on that first half every day (in music, online, and on YouTube)? BW make it clear every day that they like to be shyte on and do not need any love whatsoever in return. It’s weird.

  39. Kofi is a bad brother!lol I’m doing pretty good. 2015 is going okay for me. I can’t complain. Glad you’re doing well. I wish I knew beforehand about the show. Give me a heads up when you’re about to do a show. I would’ve love to call in. I know you don’t do your show as much. It’s just whenever you have a topic that moves you enough to do one. But just let me know anyway. You can email me if you want. It’s all good. Thanks again. 😉

  40. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    THANK YOU, Kushite Prince!
    That’s very kind of you and very motivating for me to continue the work.
    Kofi, IS one of our best hopes.
    Hope you and yours are well.

  41. I did a post on your recent chat with Kofi. It was a very informative discussion. I thought my followers might appreciate the information. I definitely did! I hope it meets your approval. 🙂 Hope you’re doing well sis. Chat with you soon.
    https://kushiteprince.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/cree-interviews-kofilion-obibini-creator-of-world-afropedia/#comment-5018

  42. honeytreebee Says:

    I read this article, the data and comments. While it is generally true that black women love black men to the point they’d rather be miserable with them than without them to the point of being the side pussy, knowingly and often quietly accepting being with black men who have no intention of being monogamous or up front and open polygamy. Or when the hurt is too much turn to other women or other men. All of this is true and often black men go silent with this or advocate this. It is a wonder why black women seek the image of black men and raise him up to God status in her mind when black men don’t do the same under this system. Even when black women marry out they still yearn for black men. The numbers don’t lie.

    It seems that black men who looking to morph black women into something else as I have heard black men talk of mixed black women as the new black woman and while they are with non black women and light women they often despise their not so light offspring girls and lament the loss of darkness in the boys. In general it doesn’t feel as though black women are hated by black men, it is verified and known.

    I know of too many black women who are everything a man could want but is holding out for a brotha. As more black men are telling black women to go and are now pushing black women to date interracial and marry the more it will happen. Make no mistake black women are wanted and once they go in any real number things are going to change rapidly.

    After the big slavery and integration it wasn’t black women who started to marry out nor date or sex out. Look at most black men revolutionaries and you’ll find white or other non black women. Now do the same for black women and it’s not the case. So who loves who?

    Some how they think an alabaster black woman will appear and want them. Once dating out becomes the norm for black women do black men really think that preference will remain the same? I’m already seeing this happen and I find it hard to tell them there’s better out there because really there isn’t.

  43. I read this post and I am very impressed with this article. I am glad a Black woman understands and realizes the dilemma that many Black women face in this country when many Black men continue to degrade and put down Black women endlessly. And others saying that we are ugly, unwanted etc while White and non Black women are seen as more beautiful and desirable. Thus Black women’s dilemma in finding a mate is hard especially in this society that promotes the belief that Black women are undesirable.

    Honestly, I have decided to remain abstinent until I find a good, non Black man comes my way. Black men, beside my male family members who love and treat me well, haven’t shown me that they are worthy of my time or respect. I didn’t do anything to these men yet they always find ways to disrespect me and call me ugly, dark skin etc. They hate my dark skin and features and hate me on the virtue of being Black and female. No different from racists or bigots out there.

    I have never had any of these experiences with White, Latino or Asian men. For the most part, non Black men have treated me with respect. They hold the doors for me, I can hold conversations with them and many of them like me and appreciate my dark skin and features. A few of them I witnessed were jerks but weren’t jerks to me. This is telling if non Blacks can be more respectful to me than men in my own race, isn’t it?

    These days, I am trying to focus on bettering myself and going to school and getting a job. It is hard because of my mother’s financial situation and where I live doesn’t have much opportunities either. I realize that I need to build myself up financially, educate myself and find emotional healing before I ever find that non Black man that I am looking for. And I am telling how I feel but I don’t fault any Black woman for choosing to be with a Black man, going lesbian or choosing celibacy. We, as Black women, should do what we feel is best for us.

  44. I thought you would like this. Go ahead,post it anywhere you like sweetheart. Just as long as you give a “shout out” to my blog. 🙂

  45. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Oh, man, Kushite Prince. Sista was ON POINT! I agree wihte EVEREETHING she said. Thanks for this. Posting i to my FB page RAWT NOW.

  46. @Cree
    Check this out Cree. This sista has a very interesting take on the sexual harassment video. I thought this might “lighten” the mood a bit. It’s actually pretty funny.lol She’s a stand up comedian. And I must say very gorgeous. What’s that myth about pretty women can’t be funny??

  47. @chuquestaquenumber1
    I knew it! And I just saw an interview where this white girl in the video said it was in Manhattan. I should’ve known she was lying. Deception is written all over this video! These people need to be exposed. Thanks for the heads up brother. Much appreciated.

  48. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    It isnt on Netflix.Its on Starz or Starz play.LBM first brought up the show.I agreed with her asessment of the program.

  49. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Conflation, conflation….

    No, M1, I never did see any of those episodes. Was that something you had recommended to me? And, is it on Netflix?

  50. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Yes Kushite Prince,the video was shot in Harlem, 125 st to be exact. Cree I also agree with the Newsone link. I believe the last paragraph was what you spoke of. Speaking of which the people tht run Hollaback says they didn’t make the vid,they just loaned the name. I believe that is a dishonest statement. Now we are to get a series of harassment vids featuring women of color and lgbt . The usual conflation. By the way Cree,did you ever get to see any episode of Power?

  51. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Kushite Prince, you said, “The power and allure that a beautiful woman has is seen as a threat to many men. And by catcalling them it kind of reduces the woman to an object. It lowers her to just a thing. “You aint nothing but a piece of ass to me!” And this way the man who may lack charisma,good looks or money…..can somehow balance the playing field. Am I making any sense?

    PERFECT SENSE, Kushite Prince. Thank you for your insightful commentary.

  52. @Cree
    I would have to agree wit you. Statements like this:

    Whistling
    Utterances such as”Dayum”; Ooowee”; “Mmmmm mmm mmm”;”Good God almighty”; etc.”
    Comments on or staring at specific body parts
    “Can I walk with you?”
    “Why you look so serious?”
    “Smile!”
    Or over the top. I also agree that a beautiful black women would’ve gotten more reactions for sure. And for the record,I don’t think this woman was “all that”. They could’ve got a more attractive white woman that her. But I guess it doesn’t really matter. This video just helps reinforce the idea that black men will lode their mind over any half way decent looking non-black woman. But I’m sure that wasn’t the purpose of the video right? Or as you said:

    “I think the real purpose of the video was to make white women feel more desirable and to make their men jealous and show more testosterone.”
    You might be on to something. They do need more white babies right? That birthrate is slowly declining fast.lol
    I heard her say in an interview that this was shot in Manhattan. But a fellow blogger told me he heard it was really shot in Harlem. Harlem?? Hmmmmmm….interesting. I wouldn’t doubt it.

    I also think something else is going on here that I don’t hear anyone talking about. I think in many ways this has to do with control. I think many of these men feel as though something is lacking in themselves. You know what I mean Cree? An inability to get their needs met. The media is always showing images of money,sex,expensive cars,social class etc. All the social constructs we are fed on a daily basis. All the things we are supposed to have if our lives are to have meaning. I think in many ways it makes some men resent beautiful women. And what they represent…….something unattainable. She is a symbol of his needs not getting met. Even if it’s on a unconscious level. I think much of this catcalling nonsense is an attempt to even out the perceived inequality. The power and allure that a beautiful woman has is seen as a threat to many men. And by catcalling them it kind of reduces the woman to an object. It lowers her to just a thing. “You aint nothing but a piece of ass to me!” And this way the man who may lack charisma,good looks or money…..can somehow balance the playing field. Am I making any sense? I think you know what I’m getting at. And these men can be of any race or color. I’ve seen men of all races do this. Just an observation I noticed.

  53. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Kushite Prince, harassment, to me, is anything beyond a simple greeting and a general compliment that is not delivered in language that should be reserved for intimates from no more than one person per encounter and not moving any closer to her than one happens to already be. No woman should have to mentally re-direct her self-determined focus in the public sphere in order to attend to a stranger’s uninvited commentary. So, the following , to me, are harassment:

    To me, all that one should reasonably feel justified in engaging the attention of a stranger in ANY setting is smiling and/or saying, “hello,” and/or giving a compliment in terms that are formal such as, “You look lovely today.” or “You are so beautiful,” “Have a day as beautiful as you are,” etc. That’s all. No more engagement is justified if the woman choooes not to reply. IF, she smiles back and/or says, “hello” and/or says “thank you,” nothing else should be said by the man unless invited by the woman to do so. That’s how I see it.

    So…..

    Whistling
    Utterances such as”Dayum”; Ooowee”; “Mmmmm mmm mmm”;”Good God almighty”; etc.”
    Comments on or staring at specific body parts
    “Can I walk with you?”
    “Why you look so serious?”
    “Smile!”
    ETC.
    All fall outside of the bounds I descibed above.

    If that video had been following a black woman with “amazing hips and butt,” the comments on that video would have been way more base, more pornographic, more menacing.

    I don’t know why they didn’t show the white woman from behind. But, since she wasn’t black, all she had to have was a little something back there to attract all that fawning. And, for it to be tame compared to what black women experience daily.

    I think the real purpose of the video was to make white women feel more desirable and to make their men jeaolous and show more testosterone.

  54. @Cree I think that street harassment video is nothing but propaganda at it’s finest. The women in the video is Shoshana Roberts. When I heard she was an aspiring actress..HUGE red flags went up.lol I knew something was up. I did feel a little strange watching the video though. I think some of these guys are lonely and desperate to be honest. I’ve never made off-color remarks to women I met on the street. And I have seen some some gorgeous women living California. I see them everyday,but I just don’t come at women that way. There’s nothing wrong with saying hi to a woman or introducing yourself. But I think it has to be the right setting. If the environment is not right it can come off as a bit creepy. I’m not surprised they left out the white guys. That is expected in a system of WS. I knew it would single out black and latino men from the beginning.
    Tell me Cree,what constitutes harassment in your opinion?
    1. Does the environment matter?
    2. What if she went to a majority white area instead of NY?
    3. What if it was beautiful black women with amazing hips and butt? Would it have been more than 100+ reactions?
    4. How come they never show this white women from behind? I think she’s Jewish. Is she “disguised” has a Latina? We all know black/Latino men love curves.
    5. What do you think the real purpose of this video was?
    Thank you. You know I always appreciate your feedback.

  55. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Yes, I aware of that criticism,chuquestaquenumber1/M1. It is a valid criticism. And, while it is valid, it is one that does not invalidate the concern for black women. Most important is that the criticism of the racism has, for the most part, only been of that aimed at black men in this video and not that aimed at black women.

    I thought this NewsOne piece did a good job of capturing my sentiment:

    http://newsone.com/3067164/street-harassment-video/

  56. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    The street harassment video has correctly been pointed out for racism. Are you aware Cree and J-Storm that the people that made this video purposely edited out white guys harassing her. Which goes to how we constantly need to be reminded and remind others how white femmes are complicit in the system of racism.Had I known what the true motive of this video was(to continue the racist propaganda of white females being preyed upon by black male sexual predators. Most of this video was shot in the area I reside. So let this be a warning.

  57. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Greetings J-Storm,

    Thanks for your candor. Whenever I read/hear it from a black male on this issue, it’s extremely refreshing because it’s so rare. I HAVE seen the “street harassment” video. I think we are on thesame page about it. If it rises to thelevel of stalking, then call it that. Otherwise, IMO, its shakey ground. I have not formulated my stance on the issue of being solicited/approached/coommented upon by a male I do not know. Many couples have made acquaintence just that way. So, what is over the line and what isn’t is not that clear to me.

    I am glad that your daghter has a father who will emphazize the beauty of the hair endowed to her by a long line of creators. 🙂

    I will email you in the event that you would like to dialogue more on any subject concerning counter-racism. I have the email address you registered with WordPress

  58. This article is real and I know it’s real from personal experience as a dark-skin black male. I am overcoming my colorism by becoming more aware of RWS and how it works based on racial hierarchy. I see how dark skin males overall go after the as they would say “something light, bright, and almost white”. It’s sad and pititful and as black males we need to be honest if we want black women to be honest about things regarding area 8 that we may claim to have issue with. Question for Cree, do you have an e-mail address where I can reach you? Also, has anyone seen this “Street Harassment” campaign going around? I found it to be very interesting how they chose a women who is phenotypically white wearing all black clothes walking around NYC. I don’t agree with the term “Street Harassment” but I did see some stalking in the video, let’s call things what they are. Hope to hear others responses.

    Here’s a link to the “Street Harassment” video:

    The video goes along with what you are saying in this blog, but it’s not addressed and it should be first and foremost by the black males.

    Also, my offspring has some “good” strong 9-ether hair and I will do my best to let her know that her hair is beautiful the way it is just like her skin, ect.

  59. I don’t think we’ll see a spike of black women dating interracially because I don’t think black women like white men that much. And, a white man will use a black woman as a plaything but he won’t bring her home to momma. Yes there are a few that do but the majority don’t. I think things will just remain the same with many black women just being alone and unloved, having feelings of not being desirable leaving herself open for black men to use, abuse then discard. That’s why I always say it’s on us, brothers, to begin this healing process.

    Going to answer multiple responses with this one:

    Again, I don’t think it’s a matter of the black man hating his black skin. We have been CONDITIONED to think these women are more attractive. If today, they started putting nothing but dark skinned black women on tv, on billboards, in magazines, movies, porn and that’s all you ever saw and they do this for 40-50 years, I think you’d see the black man having a preference for dark skinned black females. So I’m saying it’s not a matter of him hating his dark skin. It’s the conditioning.

    To answer Kushite’s question of why some black men aren’t effected by this…I’d say we are an aberration. Most black men ARE effected by this. Seems logical that ALL of us won’t be. But it’s a small minority of us. I’ve never dated a light skinned black woman. I find them to be very arrogant because of all the praise they’ve received throughout their lives. They look at themselves as a prize. Most black men will overlook this because they DO look at them as a prize. And other black men will envy these black men that get these “prizes”.

  60. I really thought these covers were photoshopped but I guess they were now. I do see a lot of black men make the claim of not all of us are color struck but it’s funny that on the way home today I remembered a friend of mine from high school that I had lost contact with for some years and we got back together via facebook. He was in the military and I think in Panama or somewhere down there and he would go on and on about the “jay-lo” looking girls down there. It was like he was in seventh heaven. I have another friend who admits he likes “hispanic looking” women. When I asked him why he “claimed” he did not know. He just liked them. Most black men have this preference. It makes sense to me. Males are visual creatures. It’s men who have collections of porn videos, dvds, magazines. We’re the ones who frequent porn sites online. This is because we are visual creatures. I have read where black women have disagreed with me when I say this is why we have this “preference” for white/light/almost white. It is the decades of seeing that as the standard of beauty and sexuality. But I don’t agree that it’s contempt for the black woman. They just think these lighter skinned females are prettier. They’ve/we’ve been conditioned to think this way. But females aren’t visual creatures thus the same effect doesn’t happen to them. The other part is we have become such a childish people. We don’t seem to be able to reason things out. I could not convince my friend that it was a conditioning that made hispanic looking females seem more attractive to him. The logic is there yet he disagrees with it. I’d say most black males I’d have the same argument with. It has to be a reason that females that don’t look like your mother seem/appear more attractive to you. Now I know some sustahs suffer that same conditioning but black men have it much worst. And I’m saying it’s because we are a more visual creature than females.

    I’m not saying this as an excuse for black men. I’m just saying why we are this way. I have not read any of the responses yet to this post before I wrote this. So, I don’t know if any of this has been said already.

  61. @all: We need to protect our melanin–period. I loved dark women so much I thought and behaved (subconsciously) for a long time like I could change a white girl into one somehow, while also at the same time being absolutely contaminated by the constant bombardment of the white female image. This is the psycho-spiritual war being waged within the soul of the black male, and an even worse war is gaining speed and power within the divine landscape of the black female as it concerns the white male image. Black people cannot be held individually responsible for their “preference,” for it seems that such a preference for stringy-haired albinos is merely the evidence of their victimization. The problem is white people and white supremacy. I offer my own experience: saturatedcity.blogspot.com.

  62. @CREE:

    By Oedipus complex I mean that condition that white people say they have (Sigmund Freud claims it is universal, but he is white so…) about the child having desires (including sexual) for their opposite sex parent in the early stages of child development. This mental condition from white psychology is named after a character in Greek mythology that unwittingly kills his father and marries his mother.

    In the article it says, “…vast majority of black men prefer women who look more like the non-black man’s mother when he was conceived than his own,” and, “…preference for their nappy-headed mothers.”

    I don’t think I understand how one’s preference/desire for one’s own or someone else’s mother/father is a major arguing point for this subject. Whenever I hear points like that being used it seems similar to the Oedipus complex that white people deal with. I’m curious as to the reasoning behind using that language. I haven’t heard anyone give their reasons for it, I just hear people use it sometimes.

    Do you have any answers for that or are you just asking questions for your own information?

    Black/male/yes (3 yrs ago, but also not white.)

  63. @LBM
    No not this time around. But I did meet some new relatives at our family reunion two years ago. It was a bit strange to meet over 100 people that were all blood relatives that you never knew.lol But I had a good time. I just relaxed and didn’t think about work.lol I visited Virginia,NC and South Carolina. I even stopped in Chicago for two days on the way back to Cali. Unfortunately today is the last day of my vacation. That brings up a good point..why do vacations go by so fast? 😦

  64. Hey, KP. I just came from down south also. Did you meet some cousins for the first time? I’m too old to be meetin’ family members for the first time. Black families keep the wrong secrets. Jus’ sayin’.
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    “Fascinating how the ABB is in effect. The show tries to be slick by having the Black wife say “No she aint white. ” when asked about the mistres(ie white ,latina,white latina take your pick).”

    Yeah, Chuquestaquenumber1, I wasn’t even going there. If that wasn’t the intent she would have looked like Rosie Perez at least??

    I will say, subtle they ain’t. He sees the white chick in his “clean” life while the black lady was/is fine for the “dirty” drug dealin’ murderous life.

  65. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Rashnu, you said, “What’s the deal with all the promotion of all the incestuous, Oedipus complex, going after somebody’s mother talk in discussions on with whom black people mate?” I do not know to what you refer. Please tell me what you mean when you say, “Oedipus complex” and what you mean when you say, “going after somebody’s mother talk in discussions on with whom black people mate.” And, please give at least one example of each.

    Also, would you please state whether you are a black person, what is your gender, and whether you are now or have in the last 5 years been in a sexual relationship with anyone who is not black?

  66. Wow, what a mess. Nothing constructive going on here.

    Quick question:
    What’s the deal with all the promotion of all the incestuous, Oedipus complex, going after somebody’s mother talk in discussions on with whom black people mate? Recently, I hear it mostly from “conscious” black people. Is there some different language that can be used in that argument? I know it’s considered an innate part of white culture (see some Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung), but black people shouldn’t copy it.

  67. Hey Cree! How you doing? I’ve ben on a little summer vacation. Ben traveling visiting family down south. I got a chance to listen to your show on Saturday about culture. Very stimulating conversation! We need more like it. Talk to you soon. 🙂

  68. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Hello everyone. Because of new WordPress policies and the avatar I use,I’m now known as chuquestaquenumber1 or chuquestaque (pronounced like Chuck Steak). On radio you will still hear me as m1. Ted Wafer GUILTY of all charges of murdering Renisha McBride.

  69. chuquestaquenumber1 Says:

    Yes LBM I’ve seen the show Power. Fascinating how the ABB is in effect. The show tries to be slick by having the Black wife say “No she aint white. ” when asked about the mistres(ie white ,latina,white latina take your pick). Plus the mistress is skinny and non shaped,unlike the Black wife.,who is not skinny and has a hot body.But the mistress isn’t Black,so she’s presented as the one to desire. I hope my prediction for season 2 comes true.

  70. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    I’ve been hearingba lot about the series, Power . Applause all-around, generally. I’ve never seen it though.

  71. Have a thing or five to say but need to think on it a little more…something to do with the fragile ego of the black male/his validation through white males, his loss of a warrior spirit, and his taking of the black woman for granted by never (in recent history) having to earn her support or companionship–even after being with non-black females.

    But for now – has anyone peeped the Starz series Power? Talk about sticking a shiv up the backside of the “ride-or-die” dark woman in favor of the white female who wasn’t there for the climb but somehow is worthy of the benefits….This is 50-Cents produced “extended video” as someone else coined–but it’s a vicious view of the topic at hand. Cold-blooded on the one hand – juvenile presentation on the part of the black male lead on the other.

  72. bellinger Says:

    So get a white man who cares ? Though most dont want you, save for the most attractive you ( which evidenced by black men’s choices are not too many).

    I mean for real, why all the whining?

    Most black women are not all that attractive.It’s the luck of the draw.Asian women are not all that cute and very very few are shapely as black women.Use what you got.Your body being your strongest asset,use that.Get in shape.Quit talking so much. Chill on the attitude.

    Problem solved

  73. The Alchemist Says:

    The first link I sent about the gay woman and her father shows that a black man can marry a black woman and still think that white women are superior.

    Preference For Light skin debate:
    Part 1 youtu.be/7h14KD4ky3Q
    .
    Part 2 youtu.be/cDJNxPuNKhY
    .
    Part 3 youtu.be/-JlvOStMSNs

  74. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Sure, The Alchemist. Lemme see it!

  75. The Alchemist Says:

    Cree, do you want links to a youtube debate by 2 black men on whether or not dark skinned/coily haired/full facial featured women are masculine? It’s in 3 parts.

  76. The Alchemist Says:

    Article by a gay woman on a conversation she had with her father. He asks her why she doesn’t date white girls. She discovers how black men advise their sons on dating.

    http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2014/02/dont-date-white-girls/

  77. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    @mstoogood4yall you said, “I will not make the ones that do the right thing pay for the wrong that others do.”
    When you do not know black man personally, do you presume he supports black women in the same way you would support him? If so, what evidence is there to support this presumption?

  78. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Spawn, I’ll say that I appreciate your comments and that they do not surprise me. However, I’m not given to unconsidered words, sir/madam. So, let me address the foundation, seemingly, of your belief that this article is “misguided” by answering your questions as follows:

    “What I want to know is, where is Cree getting her Stats from?” Please see the scientific journal links I posted in a comment replying to Kushite Prince in this thread.

    “@Cree you are taking a recent cover from a Black Men magazine and using that as springboard to your argument”. No. Yet, these covers are impressive anecdotal, verifiable evidence, that are consistent with the findings in the links I referenced above as well as my not short-lived experience and observation on this planet.

    “where is your evidence to support this claim?” See my answer to the first question

    Are you telling me that you know whats going on in the minds of every black males in America and in the world?” No. I’m telling you that, as regards this matter, I know what is going on in the minds of most black males in America and in the world. Indeed, in the overwhelming number of cases, it could be predicted from about the age of five:

    Updated Black Doll and White Doll Experiment

    ^^In this video, Spawn, are male and female children; black and non-black. So, you see, even if you and/or others are offended/insulted by my assertions in this piece, it’s not personal.
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    You said, “I think it is insulting to every black males that marry a black woman to say that they are settling.” Of course, I did not say “every black male.” I answered Kushite Prince’s question in that regard as it applies to “many/most” black males who are married to black women. I am sure the vast majority of black males who are married to black women would be offended by this statement. People are often insulted/offended by things that are true even if the person making the true statement did not make it in order to insult anyone. This situation here is similar to the oft cited/paraphrased statement by Neely Fuller, Jr. that whenever racism is discussed in a manner that reveals truth, white people get offended and black people get embarrassed. Both embarrassment and offense make one defensive in most cases. I’ve a few true statements that could be made about me that would offend me.

    While I’m on the subject of true or false statements made about me, Spawn: I’ve never “been dumped by a black male in the past for either a white woman, or Latina woman, and [nor] … an Asian woman.” 🙂 Like many, many, black women, I have, however, been ignored in favor of one. And, yes, I’m pretty angry and frustrated by that fact. Not only do I empathize with other black women who have no prospect of meaningful sexual intimacy, as long as this disfavor continues, it will not be possible for black people to have enough emotional strength and cohesiveness to prevail over Racist Man, Racist Woman, and Racist Child.

    One more thing, Spawn. Though I do not know whether you are a black person or what is your gender, I want to address a common misconception among black people— at least in this part of the world— that one cannot reach valid conclusions about a population unless one has examined every individual in that population. I see this all over the internet and I witnessed it as the norm when I taught high school math. You may find it constructive, sir/madam, to google the term, “sample population.”

  79. What I want to know is, where is Cree getting her Stats from? @Cree you are taking a recent cover from a Black Men magazine and using that as springboard to your argument.

    To me your assertions does not carry any weight. Are you trying to say based on that cover that MOST black males prefer non-white females as opposed to black females? If so where are your evidence? What proof do you have to support your argument?

    Just because a black male finds a non-black females attractive does not mean he prefers white women or “latinas” or Asians.

    I think it is insulting to every black males that marry a black woman to say that they are settling, again where is your evidence to support this claim? Are you telling me that you know whats going on in the minds of every black males in America and in the world?

    I think your article is misguided. I also think that you may be projecting your insecurities to ALL black males by the simple fact that maybe you may have been dumped by a black male in the past for either a white woman, or Latina woman, and or maybe an Asian woman. I don’t know that for sure….again i suspect that could be at the root of your frustrations and anger.

  80. @ cree

    I read that article about why she will not march for eric garner and I don’t agree with it fully. Yes there are males that try to shut women up and just want their issues to be addressed, but when it is a male that doesn’t act that way and is killed I can’t not feel sympathy or say that I wouldn’t do anything. if that is how she feels that Is fine, we all know how this will end anyways, one black woman not marching will not bring his killer to justice, it will not bring him back, and it will not guarantee the killer gets prison time.

    I will not support black males that act that way and that disrespect black women and marry non black women. No I will not do anything for them. But I will not make the ones that do the right thing pay for the wrong that others do.

    thanks for reminding me about renisha McBride’s murder trial, I already know they are going to be putting her actions on trial more so than the killer, smh.

  81. oringinalwoman13 u are right about that one, some will feel it is easier to be with another woman than a man. Then the gay community has a higher rate of interracial dating as well. I’ve seen/ heard a non black lesbian talking about other black women and how she is attracted to some of them. she was bold enough to ask a black female out idk if they went out or not, but the black female had a boyfriend that she said was cheating on her .

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes more black women being with each other, especially when u have some that already have a baby daddy (sperm donor) and he isn’t around. Then the whole strong black woman bs, makes some feel they have to act more masculine. it is just a hot mess. I love my sistas but uplifting, encouraging, and complimenting is as far as I go.

  82. @originalwoman13
    “There is one more option you forgot to mention: their have been reports of black women expanding their options to other women; some to avoid dating white men.”
    I’ve noticed this trend a lot in the last five years. I’ve seen it quite a bit in my area. It always seems that one is more feminine then the other. Some of thee women have even fooled me a few times. I saw a coupe at Target last week. She was wearing an NBA jersey,tattoos on her arms and pants sagging. It was strange to see a woman walk and talk just like a man! She had the whole demeanor of a man. I really hate seeing my sistas this way. I think embracing your femininity is a beautiful thing. I feel many of these women are lost. I feel as though they’re seacrhing for peace of mind. You almost get the feeling they’re saying “I couldn’t find a man that would love and protect me. So I will become the man I always wanted.” It’s a sad sight to see.

  83. Thanks for links Cree. I will definitely check them out. I do agree that in places where there are less blacks interracial dating is more acceptable. I think whites are more accepting when they have the numbers on us. They don’t seem to mind it as much. I’m glad we had this discussion because you’re prompted me to do something. I’m going to ask my sisters,aunts and female cousins if they think most black men would prefer a non-black woman. Or if they believe most black men would find a non-black woman more attractive over a black woman. This should be interesting.lol

  84. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Ah, yes, I did forget about that option, originalwoman13. Of course, if she wishes to have her own biological offspring, she will need to take care of that somehow. I suppose, in that sense, a woman would be less stressed about being back-up pu$$y.

    I will amend the piece. Thank you for the correction.

  85. originalwoman13 Says:

    “So, what are the millions of black women to do with no prospects of marrying a black man who truly wants and desires her? She has four options:
    1) Be back-up pu$$y whether dating or married;
    2) Be in a polygynous relationship with one of the few black men who do genuinely prefer black women;
    3) Be celibate;
    4) Accept an offer of marriage or a date she believes could lead to marriage with a non-black man

    These are all bad options compared to being with a black man who truly desires her”

    Cree, there has been some suggestions by some in the last several years that black women need to “expand their options” in order to increase their dating/marriage prospects. There is one more option you forgot to mention: their have been reports of black women expanding their options to other women; some to avoid dating white men.

  86. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    It’s not worse here than other places, Kushite Prince. The only difference between the west coast of the U.S. (and, also all of the U.K.) and other parts of the planet is the percentage of black people. The lower the percentage of black people, the more tolerant of interracial sex are white folks and the more supply can meet demand. As I said in this piece, this really is not matter of opinion—just acceptance of fact, maybe. Don’t let the lack of hearing it stated influence what you believe to be a fact, Kushite Prince. People often do not discuss what is emotionally excruciating—especially when they feel powerless to change it.

    Shedding “Light” on Marriage: The Influence of Skin Shade on Marriage for Black Females; a study by economists, Darity & Hamilton

    Skin Color & the Perception of Attractiveness Among African-American: Does Gender Make a Difference?; Social Psychology Quarterly

  87. Thanks for your honesty. You now and I both know our people are very brainwashed. There’s no debate about that. I just didn’t think you thought black men were THAT brainwashed to settle because they couldn’t get a non-black women. I guess I’m surprised because the black women in my family have never said this. But I guess all families are different. Also keep in mind that living in California can skew out perspective a bit when in comes to interracial couples. I know when I visit my family in Virginia,South Carolina and North Carolina I don’t see it as much. In NC two years ago I saw hundreds of black couples and maybe three black men with white girls. I definitely don’t see it as much on the east coast. Well I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. And that’s fine,I don’t expect us to all agree on everything. But I think it’s important to stay away from a defeatist attitude. That was the vibe I got from your last post. I took it has you were saying “they all want white girls,so its’ hopeless.”lol Maybe I jumped the gun a bit. I do like the Matrix analogy. Well all I can say is things must be really BAD out there. The mental state of our people is in very bad shape! We really got our work cut out for us if we want to change the mindset of the masses. *sigh*

  88. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Kushite Prince, I’ll answer your questions in the order you posed them:
    have you heard other black women say this? Yes.
    Are there black women in your family that feel this way also? Yes.
    Are you saying that most black men who are married to black women “settled” because they couldn’t get a white or Latina wife? Yes, almost. A white, Latina, Asian, or woman with enough admixture of non-black genetics to be deemed as not black on some significant piece of planet earth real estate.

    Do you think most/many black men are the equivalent of the Asian female analogy? Yes

    What’s the point? The point, Kushite Prince is that there are a few of us have not been damaged beyond repair. It’s worth reaching out for our kind because a few of our kind is all it takes. The first Matrix film illustrates this principle

  89. You said:”However, I also say that most black men find are more likely to find a non-black women attractive than to find a black woman attractive.”
    have you heard other black women say this? Are there black women in your family that feel this way also? I ask because if so,then black men are in a very sad mental state! Are you saying that most black men who are married to black women “settled” because they couldn’t get a white or Latina wife? If I’m assuming too much please correct me. But that’s the feeling I get. Much like I always hear people talk about how Asian women worship white men. And that many find white men more masculine than Asian men. Do you think most/many black men are the equivalent of the Asian female analogy? Maybe I’m a bit more optimistic than you are Cree. Or maybe it’s just the simple fact that I’m a man and I don’t want to give up on my gender so easily. Whatever the case may be,I hope MOST black men don’t feel the way you described. If they do—we might as well just stop blogging and call it a day! What’s the point? Game over!!

  90. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    mstoogood4yall, it is with unfortunate relief that I, again, say, “Amen.” If you haven’t seen this piece on the compassion reserve, I think you will appreciate it:

    Why I Will Not March for Eric Garner

    BTW, the murder trial of the murderer of 19-yr-old Reneisha McBride is in it’s beginning stages, and it is practically invisible on social media.

  91. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    mstoogood4yall, a double-AMEN with and organ-rift to everything you wrote. I can’t even pick out any part that wouldn’t stand alone as super-important.

    I haven’t any idea why we bron-skinned women were born to this time and place that we share this current population of souls and souless— because, apparently, we are too good for them all.

  92. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Kushite Prince, you said: “maybe we should rephrase the question. Are most black men more attracted to lighter skinned women(be they black or non black) than darker skinned women? I think that’s a better question because that’s what we’re really getting at right? I personally think that most black men are attracted to black women than non black women. But when you put black men on the spot and make them describe those black women they like—they usually are light skinned/light eyes or some biracial mix.”

    That IS a better question. And, I, agree, that the MOST attractive women to most black men are those you described. However, I also say that most black men find are more likely to find a non-black women attractive than to find a black woman attractive. And, there is the question of at what point does a “mixed” person become non-black?

    At any rate, thank you for you kind words again. And, I appreciate your work as much as all the other you mentioned. Thank YOU!

  93. These black males that fall for it are casualties of war in my opinion, while they are lusting after these women, other men are taking over their creations like hip hop and profiting. too many focus on the multiplying aspect but neglect the building and educating aspect, so we are going to be left with an army of fools thinking that numbers are everything. u can claim and create all the biracials u want, but what does that do for our communities? does it make us wealthier? does it make us smarter? does it take away the violence? does it stop police brutality?

    Then the part that trips me out is these same black males that lust over these females get upset when these females lust over biracial males. They were mad that the media and these other women were lusting and talking about Jeremy meeks, but this is what happens when u go around praising people that look like him while talking badly about black folks. while these non black women are petitioning to try to get him out, who is the one that always is trying to get these black males out for crimes they didn’t commit, visiting them, standing by them, and spreading the word about them. who is it that has been starting petitions and marching on black mens behalf. Here’s a hint it’s not the white media and it’s not the non black women.

    black women have to stop supporting these types of males, we must understand that just because they look black does not mean their mind and their loyalty is to blackness. just because they look like our fathers, husbands, sons, uncles, etc does not mean we have to stand by them.

  94. very good post. u knocked it out of the park with this one. wow I did not know about the nwa movie, the casting call is some bs, but sadly shows how this society is, group A represents the post racial colorblind bs. group B represents the acceptable blackness, group C represents blackness that is to be covered up or altered for it to be acceptable.

    group D is just *sigh* excuse me * drinks some water & tries to get it together* i’ll try to say this the nicest way possible. THIS IS SOME BS. group D represents what people think of black people particularly brown to darker skinned black women. I guess group D represents “precious”. forget about lupita nyongo, tika sumpter, Gabrielle Union, Bria Myles, no because darker skinned women can’t be beautiful. smh. But u know what this just proves, that darker skinned women, our issues are valid, we are not “whining and complaining”. We do have a lot more bs to deal with than others whether they wanna admit it or not, it proves others have privileges that they keep saying they don’t have. well this proves it. so people need to stop the bs of oh me too, I deal with that. no u don’t not to the extent that we do.

    Yes some black folks have a preference for lighter eyes, skin, and looser curled hair. Darker skinned black women hear all kinds of self hating bs from family, from friends, from strangers, and we are expected to keep quiet or just take it. Yes black men do have a thing for lighter skin and less African features, whether they want to admit it or not ( i’m not talking about all). I hear grown arse men talking about kids with “good” hair and “pretty eyes”. Something is wrong when u have black folks that will go out of their way to compliment someone else’s child that looks nothing like them, then when it comes to their own child *crickets*.

    Black women in general are being erased and replaced by biracial women, Latinas, and white women when it comes to these magazines, movies and videos. Hollywood ain’t ish, they cast everybody but a black woman for these roles, we shouldn’t be surprised by this. I mean they did cast a non black woman to play a black woman (nina simone) and they did try to cast a biracial for aaliyah’s movie. so I guess darker skinned women are only good for our contributions but we are not good enough to represent ourselves and tell our own stories, no just give us ur talent, ur creations then step the he11 back.

  95. @Cree
    Thank you for the response. You bring up some interesting questions yourself.
    “Is that really the case? Or, is it, rather, that most black men simply are more likely to find women who are not black pleasing to their eye than women who are black? Do you see the difference? ”
    Hmmm…I think so. You said “most”. Do you really believe that? I’m being serious. Since we’re talking about skin tones,maybe we should rephrase the question. Are most black men more attracted to lighter skinned women(be they black or non black) than darker skinned women? I think that’s a better question because that’s what we’re really getting at right? I personally think that most black men are attracted to black women than non black women. But when you put black men on the spot and make them describe those black women they like—they usually are light skinned/light eyes or some biracial mix.

    “Even in your own case, if you did a self-survey, and tallied the number of percentage of black women you see in a day and compare it with that pf non-black women, which category would rate higher? Please don’t answer that here. Just be as truthful as you can bear. It would be preferable for you to actually do the survey in some location where your samples will not be skewed in some way. I.e., don’t compare the non-black women who are in the hood in some drug-diversion program with the sistas who reside there.”
    Now that’s something I’ll have to try. I’ll have to see if I can find some survey like that. Give me a heads up if you know of one.

    “In answer to your question, I have evolved over the years. I have not, for at least 10 years, seen more than 1 non-black man in 500 that I find appealing/attractive. And, that’s probably generous.”
    Wow! Really?? That’s very impressive! I don’t hear too many black women saying that. I’ve heard black women I work with talk about Bradley Cooper,George Clooney and Tatum Channing being so adorable. I think you’re definitely on the right track. I think you’re did a great job getting rid of self hatred and embracing your own beauty. We need more black men and women like you Cree. I applaud you for seeing the beauty in our people over others. Bravo!!

    “To me, there is no physique/figure—male or female– that compares to the west African type. Every gradation of the 10-point scale for a black person represents 1.5 -2 points on that scale for non-black people. There is a lack of finish and full contour to others, generally. Even a their most fit. For, example, black men with a six-pack have a roundedness to their abdomens that ALL strong muscles should have. Black women of every size are more apt to not only have much rounder buttocks, but also to have round hamstrings that complement them. I think I have only, in all my time on this planet, seen only one white woman with a pronounced roundness to her hamstrings…. Our skin is, obviously higher quality.–We have far fewer moles at birth and every age and our skin does not crease as easily with age. Our facial bone structures are more pleasing to me, also.”
    Hard to disagree with most of this. I do think we have a superior body type over others. That’s a very interesting scale you came up with. I’m actually considering writing a book on the beauty of black people. I like all you described the six pack. Sounds like you’ve really been studying brothers.lol As far as black women buttocks go—theirs no comparison. No other woman comes close! Sistas have it on lock! I don’t care how many butt-lifts these non black women get. We age much better than all other races. I have aunts and uncles in their 50’s and 60’s with NO wrinkles. That’s the power of melanin. I’ve had several white women tell me we age the best. A white co worker told me once she was jealous of black women. This woman was 48 and had wrinkled skin that looked like leather!lol Thanks for the reply. I always get good information from you. You always make your followers challenge themselves. And use critical thinking. I appreciate it because I don’t get mush of this in real life. I’m thankful for your blog and radio show. As well as Trojan Pam,Cows program,Universal Jones and other bloggers. I think if we want to beat this corrupt racist unjust system,we have to go places we rather not. I know it makes many of us uncomfortable but we can’t avoid it. In the end…..we’re all better for it. Thanks Cree. 🙂

  96. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    That was in-ter-es-ting, Kushite Prince. And, yes, I do mean that in the bow-tie counetr-racist stylist way. 🙂 Now, now. You know I appreciate you, Kushite Prince. This is good-natured—though I’m sincere.
    I appreciate the lengthy response. It dug deeper than I’m used to seeing when black men respond to this issue. I’m going to ask you to dig deeper still. You say, “They like white/Hispanic women for their NON blackness.” Is that really the case? Or, is it, rather, that most black men simply are more likely to find women who are not black pleasing to their eye than women who are black? Do you see the difference? Even in your own case, if you did a self-survey, and tallied the number of percentage of black women you see in a day and compare it with that pf non-black women, which category would rate higher? Please don’t answer that here. Just be as truthful as you can bear. It would be preferable for you to actually do the survey in some location where your samples will not be skewed in some way. I.e., don’t compare the non-black women who are in the hood in some drug-diversion program with the sistas who reside there.

    In answer to your question, I have evolved over the years. I have not, for at least 10 years, seen more than 1 non-black man in 500 that I find appealing/attractive. And, that’s probably generous. Having a general disdain for someone makes one more apt to see flaws; especially when one does not partake of propaganda that is crafted to do the opposite So, when that disdain set in, I made up for lost time in seeing what I was actually looking at. I’m going to tell you what I really see and not what is pre-determined to be as I “should” see it according to a philosophical ideal. Now keep in mind: I am very, very fond of me. I tend to think more highly of people who look like me. That’s real. I noticed that about 5 years ago.

    To me, there is no physique/figure—male or female– that compares to the west African type. Every gradation of the 10-point scale for a black person represents 1.5 -2 points on that scale for non-black people. There is a lack of finish and full contour to others, generally. Even a their most fit. For, example, black men with a six-pack have a roundedness to their abdomens that ALL strong muscles should have. Black women of every size are more apt to not only have much rounder buttocks, but also to have round hamstrings that complement them. I think I have only, in all my time on this planet, seen only one white woman with a pronounced roundness to her hamstrings…. Our skin is, obviously higher quality.–We have far fewer moles at birth and every age and our skin does not crease as easily with age. Our facial bone structures are more pleasing to me, also.

    Now, that said, I do not have a pronounced preference for men with either darker or lighter skin. I am in the very middle range—or what used to be middle rage—maybe a shade or two lighter than the late Whitney Houston. So, I’ve noticed that I do have a slight preference for that shade. But that preference is not enough to persuade my attraction above other physical qualities. It is not a preference over lighter or darker skinned men that is in any way pronounced. But, non-black men? Nah, at most, I can, in an abstract way see that one is a good quality for “that breed.” They, literally, are not my type.

  97. I made a typo.
    ” Even now when I see attractive non black women I see them as potential mates.”
    I meant to say :Even now when I see attractive non black women, I DON’T see them as potential mates.
    I’d appreciate it if you would correct that. Thanks.

  98. Well to be honest,it’s something I’ve never really thought about. I know a a very young age I saw family members who were all different complexions. I have aunts and uncles with “good hair” and light eyes. I have many dark skinned and light skinned cousins. Maybe it allowed me to accept the beautiful color spectrum of black people at am early age. I’m dark skinned myself and never had any self esteem issues about it. Although I’m a man and it’s very different for dark skinned women. I think we all acknowledge that fact. Living in a system of WS we are all force fed a steady diet of white beauty 24/7. I don’t deny that I see some white and Hispanic women I think are pretty. Living in California I see attractive non-black women all the time. I guess I just don’t think MORE of them because they’re not black. I think that’s the issue with many more confused black men. They like white/Hispanic women for their NON blackness. We all have to battle against this programming we’ve all had since birth. Television.films,commercials amd magazines all force white standards of beauty on us. Black women struggle with their looks and hos “less black” they can look. And black men struggle with wanting to be accepted by their peers by pairing up with the light…Oops! I meant right person.lol
    I also have exposed myself to books about the beauty of African culture and history. I have books about the great African women throughout history as well. As I read these books I felt more and more closer to black women. Eve now when I see attractive non black women I see them as potential mates. I think black women are the natural partner to black men. I see it as a betrayal to marry/date non black women at this point in my life. I think the color preference issue is something each man must battle on his own. He has to dig deep and look inward to see why he looks what he looks. Attraction is a funny thing. That’s all I can come up with for now. What about you? I thought I heard you say on your show that light skin and light eyes looked a bit strange to you. Do you have a preference for darker men? If so,does it work the same for women? Probably not. I think it’s more acceptable to like darker skinned people since it is seen as more “authentically black”. What do you think?

  99. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Kushite Prince, you asked, ” Why do you think there are men like me that have no color preference? How is that possible in a system of WS?” To the second question of whether it is possible, of course. There is a reason or a set of reasons that men like you exist. I believe I know a couple of the reasons. However, a black male less afflicted, such as you, would be better positioned to opine on that. So what do you think is/are the reason/s?

  100. Well I definitely don’t want to be associated with Lil Wayne.lol Thanks Cree. You se where I was going with that rant. Although I’ve never heard any black man verbally say those things—I assume that might be the sentiments of many brainwashed black men. I personally have dated black women that were light-skinned,medium brown,dark skinned,long hair,short hair,weaves,corn rows etc. As well as sistas that were thin shaped and some on the “thick” side. I’ve never really had a preference for a certain color. Sometimes I just find certain women attractive whether it’s looks or sometime their personality. Why do you think there are men like me that have no color preference? How is that possible in a system of WS?

  101. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Not over the top at all, Kushite Prince. I agree whole-heartedly. After all of the deflections and denials, some honesty is sorely needed. In Latin America, black people unabashedly call it “improving the race.”

    So, maybe Lil Wayne’s explicit statement of preference, though hurtful to his darker-skinned daughter, is preferable to all the statements by Spike Lee and men who have married distinctly lighter-skinned women.

  102. I believe the purpose that serves is to further the illusion of unity. That blacks are treated better in Latin America. Even though the darker servant wont rise above her position, the message is ” We don’t have racial/color divisions. Spanish or Portuguese is what connects us. ” So they say. This ABB(Anything but Black) has to end. Not that we trust or support the couplings of white guys like DeNiro, Maher, George Lucas etc.,that have Black wives or mates. However, you never see them rag white females.

  103. @M1
    That NWA casting call was a slap in the face to ALL black women! The studio have since issued a half-ass apology. *sigh*
    http://www.brothersonsports.com/universal-studios-apologizes-for-straight-outta-compton-racist-women-casting-call/

  104. Oh Boy! You’re a brave women Cree! This is dangerous territory you’re messing with!lol No doubt this is a touchy subject for some people. I hate to admit it but a lot of brothers don’t want to talk about it. I’m not just talking about the intelligent less confused black men either. It’s a subject many don’t want to address because it deals with a deeper level of attraction. I have a good friend of mine that is very pro-black. He’s a very intelligent man. He studies Frances Welsing and can quote Neely Fuller. But his girlfriend for the past three years is biracial. I challenge him on this issue of being pro-black but dating a mixed woman. He says she claims “her blackness over her whiteness”. Hmmm……that’s nice but she doesn’t look very Afrocentric to me. Alicia Keys and Halle Berry look more black than this woman. When I first met her I thought she was a Mexican,no offense. The reality is many black men can’t admit that they have a preference for lighter-skinned women. If they admit that fact subconsciously they feel they are denying their OWN blackness in some way. Or could be perceived as a sellout. In the pro black/nationalist/conscious community that is a big NO NO. So that’s why it’s never brought up. There are some brothers I truly admire that have given me real knowledge. But many of their wives and girlfriends are a little on the light side. I really feel for the sistas out there. I know many of the darker sistas feel left out. I saw back in the 70’s there was Angela Davis and Kathleen Cleaver getting all the shine. Were there no dark skinned black women out there “fighting the power”?
    I don’t want anyone saying I’m hating on light skinned black women. The most beautiful woman I ever seen is light skinned: my mother. She looks a lot like former Miss America Vanessa Williams. But the truth must be said,no offense to my mother or any other light skinned woman. My mother has even spoken many times on colorism and the favoritism for lighter skin. She has even called out some family members about it. It’s not always pretty. I also think black men should take pride in wanting to reproduce black children. That means we will have to get rid of the one-drop rule. This whole biracial nonsense has really confused us in a big way. I know some people may not like this but we have to DEFINE what is BLACK. How can a black child come from a white woman’s vagina? Or a Mexican vagina? It doesn’t in my opinion! This madness needs to stop! These brainwashed self-hating black men need to grow a pair of balls and just say…” I hate my own dark skin and black women remind me that I’m black. So I date/marry non-black woman so my children can be less black looking(more attractive) I hate myself and I hate AFRICA. Dark skin,full lipped,nappy headed women remind that I am BLACK. That brings me great pain. If I can someone beautify and dilute my bloodline,I might be able to escape the horror of blackness. This is why I would date a fat out of shape white woman or unattractive latina over Lupita Nyongo anyday! I feel as though dark skin is a sin. A black woman can only produce more blackness. isn’t the point to get away from that? Only a non black woman can ease my pain and suffering. I can walk with my chest out and show off my adorable mixed race baby. See,I might be ugly but I produced something beautiful. I know white racism may have brainwashed me but I give up. I am happily brainwashed though. I acknowledge my self-hatred and ignorance with pride. I wish all you dark skin women would just go away,I’m tird of looking at you! I wish you would all die off! We will have harmony once we mix with other races and blackness is gone forever. The racism problem will be solved. Just mix ourselves into extinction. race mixing is the answer to our problem. Since all races hate black people,we as blacks might as well join them.”

    What do you think Cree? Was that too over the top?

  105. originalwoman13 Says:

    @ Cree
    I’m wondering the same thing. I hope divine intervention step in to eliminate the SOR cause black people ain’t gonna do it. Some people say it is not as bad as it seems (we know the white supremacist media is good at making the real seem fake and the fake seem real) and it is more prevalent in some places than it is others (i.e., California, Brazil) idk what to think. It’s just too sad.

  106. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    M1,

    The 15 or 20 times I have glanced up at a television somewhere ans seen a novela on, there usually is some black servant that the white master’s sone is flirting with… Curious. I have never figured out the purpose this serves in their version of RWS in Latin America. Have you?

  107. CREE-EIGHT Says:

    Greetings originalwoman13,

    Thanks for taking the time to comment and for your kind words. I agree with your prediction. I’m wondering how much original stock will be left of us by the time the System of Racism is eradicated….

  108. originalwoman13 Says:

    Hi Cree,
    I have been visiting your blog for a while now, but did not comment until now since I added you to my blog following list. I want to say that you are a very enlightened sista w/ great insight on the SOR. Continue to do what ya do!

    Well, this issue just keeps popping up everywhere and it bothers me greatly. The latest as m1 stated the NWA biopic casting controversy in which they ask for attractive “exotic” looking light skinned/non-black women, but want unattractive, fat, poor ghetto black women. Now we know what TPTB (the powers that be) bottomline is to make it APPEAR as if light-skinned, racially ambiguous, or non-black women are superior to black women. Way too many black males are taking the bait and idk it seems to be getting worse;which is why I began to rethink this thing myself. I’m finding myself becoming less and less critical of black women choosing to date/marry out. If this pattern of self-hatred and contempt for black women continues we will see a spike in black women IR in the future.

  109. Once again excellent topic.Its sad that this keeps popping up. The recent controversy over the casting for the NWA movie is the latest example. The magazine you’re highlighting is definitely good for this. I remember yrs ago when white cubana Vida guerra was their no.1 ranked woman for 2 yrs in a row. here she was getting all of this praise from Black males,yet all of that time she was dating a white male football player. Fine with me,but it showed how the affection Brothers were showing her she wasn’t reciprocal. Yrs ago the rapper known as the Game did a video where he attacked Melyssa Ford. Melyssa is a lighter skinned woman ,with a white mother. However, in this video he had white Puerto Rican gloria velez,who is a bisexual degenerate and started doing stripper jobs for Luther campbell and others while still a minor. Bad words for Melyssa the Game had, to this day none for Gloria. Mags aren’t the same the other way around. Even the Gabrielle Union starring Being Mary Jane ,there’s a comment “Nobody thinks latinas are ugly.” If you watch novelas you dont see the desire for darker skinned women. On Devious Maids a brother was in love with one of the maids,she chose to be with a white skinned Latino. Even though he was gay,she still chose him. Its just sad how programs and mags will push Black males to have very strong desires for non Black women.

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